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Reply #47 - 04/03/12 at 09:28:11
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MNb wrote on 04/03/12 at 04:02:32:
CraigEvans wrote on 04/02/12 at 22:17:28:
I am rather more dubious on Moskalenko

The Wonderful Winawer itself will not be enough, not even for 3...Bb4. It's the combination that works so nicely. Even if you already know a lot about 3...Bb4 you can expect to distill several interesting, sharp ideas from the book.
Williams' coverage of the Tarrasch is excellent.

MartinC wrote on 04/02/12 at 22:56:59:
Can't remember how much Tarrasch coverage there is in the flexible French.

Some, but I was much less impressed. It pales compared to Williams.

Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 04/02/12 at 23:19:57:
Vitiugov recommends the extremely sharp Winawer Poisoned Pawn, which is probably the sharpest line in the French.

So does Williams and Moskalenko covers it as well.


Yes, my impression of Moskalenko's books in general is that they are more ideas-based than aimed at creating a complete repertoire for one side. That said he has a lot of ideas and his books are a refreshing change from the standard repertoire book or reference work.
  

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Reply #46 - 04/03/12 at 09:17:24
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Apologies for the OT - I tried playing the Sicilian in my younger days but was put off with:

1) the ridiculous number of people who played 2.Nc3/2.c3 - the former is easy to play for white, the latter changes the character of the game to a much more positional one. At my levels I almost never got an open sicilian.

2) the general style of play - I struggled to handle the Sveshnikov-type structures and have never been fully convinced by the Dragon. The quieter Scheveningen-style setups really didn't give me the type of game I was looking for... and again, since I got each type of position so rarely due to the number of anti-sicilians, I never found a comfortable fit.

3) the boredom factor - it seems everyone and their pet kitten plays the sicilian. I got so bored of facing it as white I switched to 1.d4. I like to play stuff which allows me scope to improvise or surprise. Needing to learn 25 moves of sharp dragon theory and keep up with the latest developments seems a lonely way to lead one's life. Much rather throw in a latvian and get a game of my own where my opponent and I both need to think.

I know there's a body of theory with the French also... but I'd imagine less is needed in order to confidently play it, most don't spend as long preparing for it as they do 1...e5/1...c5. And, as people have already posted, if people like Williams are attracted to the French, it clearly can be played ambitiously and aggressively. The number of ...g5 thrusts makes this quite obvious.

I'm led to believe that the Caro-Kann can be interesting and sharp... it is generally the stodgemonkeys that choose that opening that choose to make it dull. So it is with the French... there are several dull lines, but it seems much harder for white to choose a dull game? (Maybe the KIA setups are the way to do this, and the Tarrasch might be less sharp... but it's pretty much impossible to avoid some quieter variations)

Anyway, I have ordered both books, and look forward  to trying to work out how to learn the opening. I've got to grow up and learn one eventually...  Wink
  

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Re: C00-C19: The French Defence Reloaded by Vitiugov
Reply #45 - 04/03/12 at 04:02:32
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CraigEvans wrote on 04/02/12 at 22:17:28:
I am rather more dubious on Moskalenko

The Wonderful Winawer itself will not be enough, not even for 3...Bb4. It's the combination that works so nicely. Even if you already know a lot about 3...Bb4 you can expect to distill several interesting, sharp ideas from the book.
Williams' coverage of the Tarrasch is excellent.

MartinC wrote on 04/02/12 at 22:56:59:
Can't remember how much Tarrasch coverage there is in the flexible French.

Some, but I was much less impressed. It pales compared to Williams.

Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 04/02/12 at 23:19:57:
Vitiugov recommends the extremely sharp Winawer Poisoned Pawn, which is probably the sharpest line in the French.

So does Williams and Moskalenko covers it as well.
  

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Reply #44 - 04/02/12 at 23:19:57
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Vitiugov recommends the extremely sharp Winawer Poisoned Pawn, which is probably the sharpest line in the French. If you like sharp positions you can play this against 3. Nc3.
  

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Reply #43 - 04/02/12 at 23:13:04
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I second (or third/fourth) the recommendation of 'Attacking Chess: The French'. The lines aren't a miracle weapon - Williams is quite objective in stating where there are potential problems - but you'll get a sharp game most of the time, even against the Exchange Variation.  Wink
  

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Reply #42 - 04/02/12 at 22:56:59
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It can be quite as sharp as anything else Smiley (and is as Williams does it.). 

The wonderful Winaver certainly has plenty of ideas in it. All in the Winaver of course. Can't remember how much Tarrasch coverage there is in the flexible French. Some amusing anti Tarrasch ideas in the French dangerous weapons book I guess.

Watson also liable to be very inventive when PTF4 comes out.
  
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Reply #41 - 04/02/12 at 22:27:07
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Would it not be better to play an opening that is sharp in nature, such as Sicilian? The French is not exactly characterised by as much tactics as the Najdorf or Botvinnik Semi-Slav..
  

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Reply #40 - 04/02/12 at 22:17:28
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I have heard a lot of positives about Williams' books - but having bought the Budapest book, am rather more dubious on Moskalenko - as much as I heartily trust MNb on most things, are there others who would agree with this recommendation? My main reason for straying (or staying) away from the French has mainly been the Tarrasch - I like both sides of the Winawer and have one of my few results against titled players on the black side of an Advance, but the positional nature of a few lines scares me. Still... I've been playing nearly 14 years, have both a FIDE and Welsh rating over 2000... figure it's got to be time to learn a proper opening... if only I could work out something better than making it up on the spot against 1.d4 (1...Nc6 and 1...a6 have made recent appearances) I might actually get decent...  Cheesy
  

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Reply #39 - 04/02/12 at 21:59:24
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CraigEvans wrote on 04/02/12 at 18:53:45:
what is the best book in order to get a *sharp* French repertoire?

Combine Williams' Attacking Chess with Moskalenko's Wonderful Winawer. Both authors have the same goal: create as many imbalances as possible (while still playing sound moves). They make the Latvian look like an opening for pussies.
  

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Reply #38 - 04/02/12 at 19:42:16
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Simon Williams did one recently which, unsurprisingly perhaps!, rather fits that design brief..... (Attacking chess: the french, Everyman).
  
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Reply #37 - 04/02/12 at 18:53:45
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Which brings me to a question... as someone who hasn't played the French in a long time, but who would now like to... what is the best book in order to get a *sharp* French repertoire? I'm not even remotely interested in Rubenstein/Burn variations, nor the general classical - I'm talking Winawers/McCutcheons, possibly coverage of the Armenian, sharp and possibly offbeat tries against other things (KIAs etc). I know there's a lot currently flooding the market, but it's time to grow up, pick one book and learn the lines, and accept any poor results it might bring. It's either that or retake up the Latvian...   Cheesy
  

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Reply #36 - 03/21/12 at 12:06:35
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 03/20/12 at 17:15:17:

The review is worth the time to read, thx GC for  sharing the link!


+1 GC : thanks for sharing 
+1 Dennis: thanks for reviewing (..I will try to buy the new edition before reviewing it and reviewing its review Smiley ..)

  

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Reply #35 - 03/20/12 at 18:49:19
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 03/20/12 at 17:15:17:
GenghisClown's link is to a review by Dennis Monokroussos. He has some very interesting specific complaints about the book, but finishes off with a general recommendation to buy it. 

The review is worth the time to read, thx GC for  sharing the link!



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GenghisClown's link is to a review by Dennis Monokroussos. He has some very interesting specific complaints about the book, but finishes off with a general recommendation to buy it. 

The review is worth the time to read, thx GC for  sharing the link!
  
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Reply #33 - 03/20/12 at 06:40:16
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