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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #162 - 02/14/12 at 05:18:55
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One part where I disagree is transposing to the Pirc, Modern, and Philidor via 1. d4 with 2. e4. I think the Pirc is a better opening than its reputation, whilst I do not find that the Modern and Philidor are less reputable than playing against the Old Indian or Modern with e4 rather than the Modern with c4 and no e4.
  

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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #161 - 02/14/12 at 02:02:04
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gwnn wrote on 02/13/12 at 23:01:39:
slightly off-topic, but probably useful to others here: Just lost in a King's Gambit Accepted today. White does get some initiative in the opening, even though I believe Gustafsson etc that objectively white perhaps has equality, perhaps not even that. Should I learn the Falkbeer from Kaufman?


In my mind, the Kaufman approach, 1. e4 e5 2. f4 d5 3. exd5 exf4, is simplier to learn if you're only occasionally going to face the KG.

If I were to prepare for a specific opponent who plays the KG, I might go for the uncompromising approach advocated by Gustaffson (and Emms) (1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5!?).
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #160 - 02/14/12 at 01:52:38
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MNb wrote on 02/14/12 at 01:45:16:
Does Kaufman recommend the Falkbeer (2...d5 3.exd5 e4) or the transposition to the Modern (3...exf4)? The first I do not trust at all (see Johansson's FKG for instance), but the latter is completely sound.


The Modern, just as in the previous edition.
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #159 - 02/14/12 at 01:45:16
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gwnn wrote on 02/13/12 at 23:01:39:
Should I learn the Falkbeer from Kaufman?

Does Kaufman recommend the Falkbeer (2...d5 3.exd5 e4) or the transposition to the Modern (3...exf4)? The first I do not trust at all (see Johansson's FKG for instance), but the latter is completely sound.

tp2205 wrote on 02/14/12 at 00:32:56:
I do play both. I recently switched from the French to the open games. So it still makes sense to play 1 ... e6 against d4 if I do not feel like dealing with 2.Bg5.

Go figure. I hadn't thought of that option.
  

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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #158 - 02/14/12 at 00:32:56
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MNb wrote on 02/13/12 at 22:31:21:
Mortal Games wrote on 02/13/12 at 22:01:02:
It´s not a case of split personality but universal play.

That argument is valid for the combination Grünfeld and Breyer (or French) as well.
Personally I think the idea that an opening repertoire should be consistent in style a very shortsighted one.
The only combinations that should be avoided are those which require extra work due to transpositions. It's not handy to combine 1.d4 e6 with the Open Games.


I do play both. I recently switched from the French to the open games. So it still makes sense to play 1 ... e6 against d4 if I do not feel like dealing with 2.Bg5. I even play 1.d4 e6 2. Nf3 c5 offering transposition to the French (occurs perhaps in 10-20% of my games) and the Sicilian (has happened only 2 or 3 times as far as I can remember). If your opponent's repertoire is 1.d4 based you can assume that the French and especially the open Sicilian (unless you are playing against Polugaevsky) are nothing to be afraid of.

But I agree that consistency as far as style is concerned is about the stupidest thing to care about. Most openings require you to be able to use various styles anyway.
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #157 - 02/13/12 at 23:58:26
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I think it would benefit most chess players, especially those under 2300, to play openings that may be diametrically opposed in terms of style. Grünfeld is dynamic but not overly aggressive such as King's Indian, whilst Breyer is solid but not completely devoid of dynamism itself. Grünfeld with Breyer are fine to me, but so are Caro-Kann with King's Indian, Semi-Slav with Pirc, Sicilian Najdorf with Slav, Petroff with Dutch, etc. And one can play numerous openings against 1. e4 and 1. d4 regardless of rating. It is good to be an "all-rounder" I think with openings. For those that know cricket an analogy would be like someone who can bat in the top order and be a full time bowler and/or keep wicket (i.e. Jacques Kallis, MS Dhoni).
  

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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #156 - 02/13/12 at 23:19:33
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Mortal_Games, Neric, et al.: you guys worry way too much.  And you seem to have everything figured out; the young Kasparov had a split personality!!  1.e4 would have suited him better!!  Carlsen's style is better suited for the Nimzo!  You guys are too much for me, honestly; you understand other players "styles" much better than I understand my own.  I guess the young Karpov shouldn't have played all those beautiful attacking masterpieces with 1.e4; what was he thinking?

Assume you meet a player whose main defence to 1.e4 is the Caro-Kann.  What can you assume about his style from that?  That he's a "solid" player that wants to get out of the opening without White hurting him?  That he should play the Slav against 1.d4?  I don't think you can assume anything!  Perhaps he chooses the Caro-Kann because he wants to win with Black and he deliberately chooses an opening where the pawn structure will never be symmetrical, so that he can always outplay his opponent strategically, even from less tactically-charged positions.  If this is his reasoning, the Slav would certainly NOT be a good choice for him, now would it??

I think a lot of people have a big misconception about the game of chess, opening choices, what constitutes "style" and preferences, the different ways that openings can be "aggressive," etc.  But I'd rather not get off topic here.  According to my view of chess, 1...e5 and the Grunfeld go together about as well as two openings could, but I don't place much emphasis on "going together" anyway.
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #155 - 02/13/12 at 23:07:39
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I analyzed that line of Kaichesvilli's that Kaufman gave against the KID a while ago and came to the conclusion that while Bf8 and recapturing on c5 with the d-pawn is okay, Bh6 and bxc5 is even better as it maintains the structure and allows ...f3 ideas hitting the rook if white takes on g4. The g6 knight can go to either f6 or h4 as circumstances permit. White's only active plan is to round up the pawn on a5 but that is slow and Black is still attacking. The line just isn't that great for white.

His other line against the KID is a nice practical line that I could see myself playing but he should have consulted Kotronias's Grandmaster Battle Manual which contains a very well explained solution to it.
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #154 - 02/13/12 at 23:01:39
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slightly off-topic, but probably useful to others here: Just lost in a King's Gambit Accepted today. White does get some initiative in the opening, even though I believe Gustafsson etc that objectively white perhaps has equality, perhaps not even that. Should I learn the Falkbeer from Kaufman? Did anyone look closer at the lines he advocates? They look kind of wild to me but do they work? I used to play 2 .. Bc5 but it was depressing to me when white just gobbled up my bishop with a well-timed Na4. Sad The upside of d5 or Bc5 seems to be that Black averts the Bishop's Gambit which is probably at least as good as the Knight's (so Black has half as much theory to worry about?).
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #153 - 02/13/12 at 22:31:21
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Mortal Games wrote on 02/13/12 at 22:01:02:
It´s not a case of split personality but universal play.

That argument is valid for the combination Grünfeld and Breyer (or French) as well.
Personally I think the idea that an opening repertoire should be consistent in style a very shortsighted one.
The only combinations that should be avoided are those which require extra work due to transpositions. It's not handy to combine 1.d4 e6 with the Open Games.
  

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Reply #152 - 02/13/12 at 22:01:02
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ErictheRed - Let's assume that you play 1.e4 as White and that you like fairly open positions.  1...e5 would be a natural choice for you, as would the Grunfeld;

You are right about the Grunfeld but 1...e5 called Open Games do not lead to open centres. The best choice for a Grunfeld player would be Sicilian defence in terms of style. Of course strong players play everything because they search to be universal players and for this reason confusion spreads because the openings that truelly belong to the roots of their style are disguised in their universal play. When Kaufman calls Magnus Carlsen defences, I agree in half of his choices because altough Magnus plays the Grunfeld (because he plays everything!), the openings that really belong to the roots of his style are Nimzo, QID or QGD.

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Petrosian and Kasparov both played the Petrosian Queen's Indian as White--obviously one of them was completely off base, right?  They're styles are so dissimilar that one of them had to have a split personality, right?


Yes to the young Kasparov because his move was 1.e4 and the one that represents more Kasparov style. Later he played 1.d4 because style is something that is not frozen and is evolving with age. It´s not a case of split personality but universal play. 

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Neric - Your repertoire shouldn't force you develop a split personality. 

I agree with this point for a player who wants to achieve better results until master level, but after 2300 a strong player must develop is repertoire and be capable of playing in any style.
  

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Reply #151 - 02/13/12 at 21:03:04
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Neric wrote on 02/13/12 at 20:22:50:

If white plays e4, Kaufman wants to defend with a static structure and goes for slow maneuvering. If white plays d4, he goes with a highly dynamic opening where end up with tons of forced draws right of the opening. This simply doesn't fit together.

What's a better choice? For instance, the Gruenfeld and the Marshall Attack would go together well. Both lines are sharp, dynamic and end in a draw. There is a similar amount of theory, a similar amount of sharpness and a similar amount of risk. The Sicilian Dragon (Karjakin-Shirov) would also go along well with the Gruenfeld.

As for static openings, the Chigorin Ruy Lopez and the Dutch Stonewall are quite similar. Both lines try to put a clamp on the center - c5/d6/e5 and d5/e6/f5. These lines may not be hot according to current fashion, but they allow the player to control his risk and develop a style.

The worst thing that could happen is if you have to defend the Botvinnik-Variation in the Slav if white starts with d4 or fall asleep in the Caro Kann if white goes with e4. The risk level and the sharpness of these two openings couldn't be further apart. Your repertoire shouldn't force you develop a split personality.


I'm sorry to single you out Neric, as others have made similar comments, but this is just silly (I almost wrote "retarded").  People play different openings for much different reasons and you can often tailor sub variations of almost any opening to suit your style.  I personally know plenty of very strong players that mix 1...e5 with the Grunfeld.  Martyn Corden for instance (2400+).  Let's assume that you play 1.e4 as White and that you like fairly open positions.  1...e5 would be a natural choice for you, as would the Grunfeld; what other opening leads to more open positions against 1.d4?  I know a FM who mixes the Grunfeld with...the French!  And although I could hardly imagine two different defences from my point of view, he insists that they fit together very well, and pointed out than in both openings (he plays the Winawer) Black's counterplay is normally associated with White's weakened c3 and c4 squares.  

Petrosian and Kasparov both played the Petrosian Queen's Indian as White--obviously one of them was completely off base, right?  They're styles are so dissimilar that one of them had to have a split personality, right?
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #150 - 02/13/12 at 20:44:28
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I have talked with Kaufman.  He truely believes the Breyer to be the best play vs 1.e4.  He adds Magnus Carlsen plays it.  His other choice is the Caro kan vs 1.e4.  He also recommends Grunfeld as a good attempt to win.  Nimzo/Ragozin he also tends to like.  So maybe the Nimzo and caro kann may have been a better choice.  From what I know of Larry he triese his best to put forth a quality product or else he won't do it. He may have had to cut things short due to publishers limitations.  But I do now know that for sure.   Oh and he thinks in the Mar del platta variation causes huge problems to black.   
I only wish he wrote other books besides just Opening books.   
Finally he is a quiet good guy who is, patient and  likes to help when he can.   
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Reply #149 - 02/13/12 at 20:22:50
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Chessexplained wrote on 02/08/12 at 12:46:43:
His choice to pair 1.e4 e5 as Black leading to the Breyer with the Grünfeld also surprised me. Still after some thought it makes sense to me if you read some of his white recommendations for the 1.d4 repertoire.

Let's check a couple of alternatives:
1. Semi-Slav: He considerers the Semi-Slav slightly problematic because of 5.Bg5 plus move-order issues incl. Slav Exchange. I guess this also puts him off the regular Slav.
2. Nimzo/Queen's Indian/Catalan: he doesn't state this explicitly, but I guess it's hard to get this on 100 pages plus it is difficult to combine with the repertoire vs. 1.Nf3 and 1.c4. In addition it's hard to find something in the Catalan at all where you can claim black preserves some winning chances.
3. King's Indian: He quite frankly states that he thinks it is a not completely sound opening. Of course that's debatable.
4. Queen's Gambit Declined: I think this is just too 'unsexy' to present plus you have the Catalan issue and general lack of winning chances.


I think you should select your openings based on risk and structure, not based on what is currently in fashion.

If white plays e4, Kaufman wants to defend with a static structure and goes for slow maneuvering. If white plays d4, he goes with a highly dynamic opening where end up with tons of forced draws right of the opening. This simply doesn't fit together.

What's a better choice? For instance, the Gruenfeld and the Marshall Attack would go together well. Both lines are sharp, dynamic and end in a draw. There is a similar amount of theory, a similar amount of sharpness and a similar amount of risk. The Sicilian Dragon (Karjakin-Shirov) would also go along well with the Gruenfeld.

As for static openings, the Chigorin Ruy Lopez and the Dutch Stonewall are quite similar. Both lines try to put a clamp on the center - c5/d6/e5 and d5/e6/f5. These lines may not be hot according to current fashion, but they allow the player to control his risk and develop a style.

The worst thing that could happen is if you have to defend the Botvinnik-Variation in the Slav if white starts with d4 or fall asleep in the Caro Kann if white goes with e4. The risk level and the sharpness of these two openings couldn't be further apart. Your repertoire shouldn't force you develop a split personality.
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #148 - 02/13/12 at 20:11:26
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I am not sure about the refutation against the King's Indian in the book, but after suffering too many horrible losses by playing the King's Indian from 2003 to 2008, it feels like every line is a refutation...

I would think that the Bayonet would be recommended. The Mar Del Plata is scary to play since any mishap could result in a mating attack.
  

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