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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #177 - 02/18/12 at 22:49:24
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I play the Triangle pretty regularly as Black and was interested in his thoughts.  He offers two ideas for White versus the Triangle, 4 e4 followed by 6 Nc3 rather than 6 Bd2 Marshall.  He says this leads to an engine plus for White.  I played a rapid game as Black against this and found it much easier OTB than playing against the Marshall itself but was still worse out of the opening (and thereafter have reverted to the Marshall declined lines).  

His main recommendation is to allow Black to play the Abrahams-Noteboom and then play 15 Nd2 in place of 15 Re1.  It will be interesting to compare Scherbakov's thoughts on these ideas either in his new book or on his ChessPub column.

I agree with the comments  about the Semi-Slav.  I am more likely to stick to a simple Anti-Meran rather than put in the work on Bg5 for now, especially since I don't see so many Triangles or Semi-Slav's as White at my level.

BTW to the comment about the Tango: I didn't see it either but assume he would steer things towards the Nimzo Zurich variation line he likes for White.

I like this book even better than his first one.  You can build a great White repertoire as an amateur combining this with the Cox Starting Out d4 book as appropriate (e.g., for further ideas vs. Dutch).

Do people like his ideas against the English?  Like the Semi-Slav Bg5 lines it seems like a lot of work.  Presumably, the payoff is that English players will be just as confused by the transpo issues.  Can someone recommend something simpler to learn and more reliable?   

At the moment, I play e6 and d5 against the English which broadly fits with the Triangle and have had pretty good success (again at my level . . . roughly 1900 USCF) as English players will fight head over heels to avoid transpositions to the QGD, Semi-Slav or the Catalan.  My inclination is to stick with this, at least for now.
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #176 - 02/14/12 at 23:11:23
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belgian wrote on 02/14/12 at 13:40:22:
1. d4 d6 2. e4 Nf6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. Be3 intendng 4. - c6 5. h3 or 4. - Bg7 5. Qd2 c6 6. Bh6

The modern is also met by Be3.

Looks like I'll have to buy the book.
  

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Reply #175 - 02/14/12 at 16:31:52
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That argument is valid for the combination Grünfeld and Breyer (or French) as well.
Yes, it is.
Personally I think the idea that an opening repertoire should be consistent in style a very shortsighted one.
I agree with GM Lars Bo Hansen that it´s all we need until master level (2300). Anyone can disagree with this point of view of course.
The only combinations that should be avoided are those which require extra work due to transpositions. It's not handy to combine 1.d4 e6 with the Open Games.
yes indeed, but I have other combinations that I disagree until master level. In general any player can check the results of several combinations and choose by trial and error but that cost time and several defeats more (in my view).
  

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Reply #174 - 02/14/12 at 15:54:08
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Mortal_Games, Neric, et al.: you guys worry way too much.  And you seem to have everything figured out; the young Kasparov had a split personality!!  1.e4 would have suited him better!!  Carlsen's style is better suited for the Nimzo!  You guys are too much for me, honestly; you understand other players "styles" much better than I understand my own.  I guess the young Karpov shouldn't have played all those beautiful attacking masterpieces with 1.e4; what was he thinking?

Assume you meet a player whose main defence to 1.e4 is the Caro-Kann.  What can you assume about his style from that?  That he's a "solid" player that wants to get out of the opening without White hurting him?  That he should play the Slav against 1.d4?  I don't think you can assume anything!  Perhaps he chooses the Caro-Kann because he wants to win with Black and he deliberately chooses an opening where the pawn structure will never be symmetrical, so that he can always outplay his opponent strategically, even from less tactically-charged positions.  If this is his reasoning, the Slav would certainly NOT be a good choice for him, now would it??

I think a lot of people have a big misconception about the game of chess, opening choices, what constitutes "style" and preferences, the different ways that openings can be "aggressive," etc.  But I'd rather not get off topic here.  According to my view of chess, 1...e5 and the Grunfeld go together about as well as two openings could, but I don't place much emphasis on "going together" anyway.


It´s dificult for me to reply to all your sentences because style is a complex subject that evolves with age and there are several important points to understand like your streghts and weaknesses as a player. In general, you can only find your style after analysing your own games well and in fair number. Sharp openings vs Quiet ones and Tactical play vs Positional play or Calculation vs General plans or type of structures in the opening or middlegame are very important points. I agree with Lars Bo Hansen view and I advice this great book to anyone: "How Chess Games are Won and Lost" and then after this reading we can understand better what we agree or disagree and all chessplayers at some point need to understand.
  

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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #173 - 02/14/12 at 13:40:22
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MNb wrote on 02/14/12 at 09:53:23:

None of these three were reason for me to switch from 1.e4 to 1.d4, so I don't have any objection to 2.e4. Specifically I have always loved to play against the Pirc and the Modern (Be3 and Qd2).
I wonder how Kaufman tackles these two defences?


1. d4 d6 2. e4 Nf6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. Be3 intendng 4. - c6 5. h3 or 4. - Bg7 5. Qd2 c6 6. Bh6

The modern is also met by Be3.
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #172 - 02/14/12 at 11:37:24
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@chessexplained: By the way, i have enjoyed very much your youtube videos. Great work. Hope you keep uploading interesting stuff there.

I don't understand the criticism against Kaufman's choices against the Modern. It is well known that all those "Modern" systems gain strengh when White has "created a weakness" of the long diagonal with the move c2-c4. As in the "Modern Vs Schid Benoni" comparison, the "KID Vs Pirc" debate results clearly in favor of White when he hasn't played c2-c4! and this autmaticaly means that Black won't have the same amount of counterplay with his Bishop posted on g7. Of course this is advanced theoretical or even philosophical stuff and i can understand that most of the club players just want to play similar middlegame structures. But after 1.d4 if i see 1...d6 (meaning that the dark-squared Bishop will be developed at g7 idealy) i'd certainly not play 2.c4 and justify Black's intentions.
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #171 - 02/14/12 at 09:53:23
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Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 02/14/12 at 05:18:55:
One part where I disagree is transposing to the Pirc, Modern, and Philidor via 1. d4 with 2. e4.

None of these three were reason for me to switch from 1.e4 to 1.d4, so I don't have any objection to 2.e4. Specifically I have always loved to play against the Pirc and the Modern (Be3 and Qd2).
I wonder how Kaufman tackles these two defences?
  

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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #170 - 02/14/12 at 09:34:00
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emary wrote on 02/14/12 at 09:20:11:
Another idea: 
What do you think about aiming for the Hanham formation via 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 e5 as a prelude for playing the Breyer? One Problem with learning the Breyer is that you seldom get one at expert level. Maybe the Breyer simply doesn't work for you, who knows?! 

A last point: 
Kaufman claims that the "Marshall move order" has little point. 
(1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 
... 0-0 threatening the Marshall attack 8.c3 d6 9.h3) 
Do you think this is really true? 

I think that one point of Black aiming for the 9.h3 lines of the Ruy Lopez is to force White to work very hard on opening preparation for relatively little reward. Threatening the Marshall sharpens White's dilemma considerably.  


I don't think black can force ...b5 in the Hanham, gaining space on the queenside. In the Breyer of course this is not an issue. In general the Hanham is a nice way to cut down theory as black, as long as you don't mind slighty cramped positions - I often recommend that to amateur players who don't want to study lots of concrete lines. 

The Marshall move order is fine of course, but you need to cover 8.a4 as black. I don't like that too much, so I just stick with the regular order, but that's a matter of taste obviously.
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #169 - 02/14/12 at 09:23:45
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I am not sure if 2. e4 is the "best" move, but maybe that is because I do not mind playing the Pirc or Philidor as Black. 1. d4 d6 2. c4 e5 I would not like to play as White, but I was following Avrukh's GM1 repertoire book with 1. d4 d6 2. Nf3.

With regards to the Marshall move order, what if White anticipates the marshall with 7...0-0 and plays the anti-Marshall lines 8. a4, 8. h3, 8. a3, etc.? In this manner, Black cannot play the Breyer, whilst it may be the case that White may be willing to play against the Breyer but not against the Marshall. Then White is the one to prevent the Breyer (and Marshall). If a Breyer player wants to use the Marshall move order, then only it will work against players who are willing to play against both the Marshall and Breyer. The Breyer will only arise after 8. c3, after which the Marshall could also arise.
  

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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #168 - 02/14/12 at 09:20:11
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I think Kaufman recommands 

1.d4 d6 2.e4 and 1.d4 g6 2.e4 

because he values space high and 
maybe because 2.e4 simply is the best move. 

Playing this way White has reasonable chances to get 
an opening advantage AND dictate the charakter of the game!   
Obviously Kaufman cannot expand on this point due to space considerations. I have studied Lakdawala's and Barski's books a little bit (1.d4 d6 2.c4 e5; 1.d4 d6 2.Nf3 Bg4; 1.d4 d6 2.e4 Nf6 3.Nc3 e5; 1.d4 d6 2.e4 Nf6 3.Nc3 c6) and 2.e4 bothers me most.   

Btw: 
If an amateur plays 1.e4 and 1.d4  this choice is practically forced to 
cut down the working load. I strongly believe that playing both 
moves improves your general chessunderstanding a lot and 
Kaufman's choice is a step in this direction. 

Another idea: 
What do you think about aiming for the Hanham formation via 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 e5 as a prelude for playing the Breyer? One Problem with learning the Breyer is that you seldom get one at expert level. Maybe the Breyer simply doesn't work for you, who knows?! 

A last point: 
Kaufman claims that the "Marshall move order" has little point. 
(1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 
... 0-0 threatening the Marshall attack 8.c3 d6 9.h3) 
Do you think this is really true? 

I think that one point of Black aiming for the 9.h3 lines of the Ruy Lopez is to force White to work very hard on opening preparation for relatively little reward. Threatening the Marshall sharpens White's dilemma considerably.   
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #167 - 02/14/12 at 09:15:40
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TN wrote on 02/14/12 at 06:36:33:
Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 02/14/12 at 06:22:20:
But can White not just play 1. d4 d6 2. Nf3?


2...f5 or 2...g6 3.c4 f5 might be a good reason (IIRC he recommends 1...f5 2.Bg5).


That and in fact 1.d4 d6 2.c4 e5(!) is indeed given as the reason. By the way: a couple of months ago I produced a series of videos for my Youtube channel outlining a 1.d4 repertoire. I also went for the transposition to the Pirc/Modern, as this seems much easier to manage then the alternatives. There is also all kinds of d6,g6 stuff (like the Azmaiparasvili line for instance) that is avoided by simply going e4 on move two. I also couldn't go for 2.Nf3 at all as I recommended the KID for white without Nf3 (Sämisch among others).
  
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Reply #166 - 02/14/12 at 08:23:41
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MNb wrote on 02/14/12 at 01:45:16:
gwnn wrote on 02/13/12 at 23:01:39:
Should I learn the Falkbeer from Kaufman?

Does Kaufman recommend the Falkbeer (2...d5 3.exd5 e4) or the transposition to the Modern (3...exf4)? The first I do not trust at all (see Johansson's FKG for instance), but the latter is completely sound.

The transposition to the Modern. Sorry I was confused about the nomenclature!
  
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Reply #165 - 02/14/12 at 06:36:33
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Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 02/14/12 at 06:22:20:
But can White not just play 1. d4 d6 2. Nf3?


2...f5 or 2...g6 3.c4 f5 might be a good reason (IIRC he recommends 1...f5 2.Bg5).
  

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Reply #164 - 02/14/12 at 06:22:20
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But can White not just play 1. d4 d6 2. Nf3?
  

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Reply #163 - 02/14/12 at 05:51:26
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Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 02/14/12 at 05:18:55:
One part where I disagree is transposing to the Pirc, Modern, and Philidor via 1. d4 with 2. e4. I think the Pirc is a better opening than its reputation, whilst I do not find that the Modern and Philidor are less reputable than playing against the Old Indian or Modern with e4 rather than the Modern with c4 and no e4.


I believe Kaufman thought the real problem was the specific move order 1.d4 d6 2.c4 e5(!).
  
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