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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #222 - 02/29/12 at 13:36:54
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jsyedidia, I see you are a new poster here. I do hope you will continue to make posts as clear and illuminating as these. Thank you.
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #221 - 02/29/12 at 12:16:04
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Straggler wrote on 02/29/12 at 10:17:09:
jsyedidia, thank you for that explanation, and I take your point. Until now I hadn't been aware that 4...g6 is dubious against 4.Nc3. I suspect it is more common at club level than the databases would suggest: to my untutored eye it looks like a reasonable move. (Kaufman does discuss it as a response to 4.Qc2 and 4.Qb3, and I'm not sure what makes it better against those moves.) There is a general point here. Books aimed at average players are more helpful if they say something, even if not much, about inferior but reasonable-looking lines which average opponents are quite likely to play. But few of them do this. Greet's book on the Lopez is a shining exception; but then he wasn't trying to provide a complete repertoire for Black and White!


I thought I'd follow up to explain why 4....g6 would be covered by Kaufman after 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Qc2 (or 4. Qb3), but not after 4. Nc3. After 4. Qc2, 4...g6 is a perfectly logical move because it prepares ....Bf5 hitting the White queen. It's also played about 25% of the time in the databases. So Kaufman should certainly cover it, and he does, recommending 5. Bf4, and then giving a fair amount of analysis (a full column on page 145). 

After 4. Qb3, 4....g6 is a dubious move, because again Black is trying to get to a Schlechter when White's queen bishop hasn't been blocked in, and there's no compensating factor like the gain of a tempo obtained by hitting the Queen on c2. 
But 4....g6 is played about 5% of the time after 4. Qb3 so Kaufman probably considers it a border-line case and he gives a quick recommendation: saying in case of 4...g6 5. Nc3 Bg7 6. cxd5 cxd5 7. Bg5 and White is better because his bishops are better than Black's. By the way, if you compare the position with a similar one with White's queen on c2 rather than b3, you'll see that here White's queen is tying the Black bishop to the defense of the b7 pawn and hitting the d5 pawn--White's queen makes sense on b3 in an exchange Slav, but not on c2, which is why Kaufman's recommendation after 4. Qc2 g6 does not involve going into the Exchange Slav structure.

I think honestly that trying to understand why some moves are popular with the masters and other moves aren't is an important way to improve. The situation here is a typical case. Amateurs will often make moves like 4...g6 after 4. Nc3 or 4. Qb3 because they're just playing a system irrespective of what their opponent is doing. If you understand what's happening (e.g. why masters only play 4...g6 in those positions very rarely, even though they often play it against 4. Qc2 or 4. e3), you can punish these inaccurate moves when they happen, and generally play better chess. 

It's true that it would be nice if Kaufman explained everything, but he can't in the space he has, and in any case you'll remember best if you figure out these kinds of nuances yourself. I think he does an excellent job in covering the really dangerous responses to the repertoire, and you can build around that by trying to figure out with the help of an engine like Komodo and a database of master games what's going on for the moves he doesn't cover.

EDIT: By the way, I just realized that Kaufman does in effect cover 4. Nc3 g6, by transposition. Since he recommends 5. Nc3 after 4. Qb3 g6, you can obviously transpose into his line after 4. Nc3 g6 5. Qb3 Bg7 6. cxd5 cxd5 7. Bg5 with a nice game. He also points out in his introduction to the Slav that 4. Qb3 works well against 4....g6, but against 4. Qc2, 4...g6 is a good move (and on the other hand 4. Qc2 is better than 4. Qb3 against 4...e6 because it supports e2-e4.)
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #220 - 02/29/12 at 10:17:09
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jsyedidia, thank you for that explanation, and I take your point. Until now I hadn't been aware that 4...g6 is dubious against 4.Nc3. I suspect it is more common at club level than the databases would suggest: to my untutored eye it looks like a reasonable move. (Kaufman does discuss it as a response to 4.Qc2 and 4.Qb3, and I'm not sure what makes it better against those moves.) There is a general point here. Books aimed at average players are more helpful if they say something, even if not much, about inferior but reasonable-looking lines which average opponents are quite likely to play. But few of them do this. Greet's book on the Lopez is a shining exception; but then he wasn't trying to provide a complete repertoire for Black and White!
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #219 - 02/29/12 at 03:11:51
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I think it's reasonable that he doesn't cover 4...g6 in the position after 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3.  According to the databases, 4....g6 is only played about 2% of the time in that position, with the vast majority of games going 4...e6, 4...dxc4, or 4....a6. 4....g6 is a dubious way to try to play a Schlechter, because White hasn't blocked in his queen's bishop.

As Kaufman writes, if he doesn't cover some rarely-played move, you can just put the position into an engine and play whatever move it recommends. If you want Kaufman's recommendation, it would most likely be whatever Komodo recommends, since he created the evaluation routine for Komodo and says he primarily used Komodo in this book. So following that advice, you find Komodo 3 (which is a free program that runs on all popular operating systems) recommends 5. cxd5 cxd5 6. Bf4, which has scored quite well for White in practice. Another point is I don't think there's a whole lot of interesting theory to discuss after 5. cxd5 cxd5 6. Bf4--it's basically transposed to an Exchange Slav that is rather favorable for White.

So yes, one can fault him for not saying anything about what to do against 4...g6, but at some point he has to cut out the discussion of dubious moves. Otherwise he'd  also need to discuss 4...Bf5, and 4....Qb6, and 4....Nbd7, and 4....Bg4, and 4....Ne4, and 4....h6, which also all show up in the databases, and the book would be full of discussions of unpopular and bad moves.
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #218 - 02/29/12 at 00:17:34
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ErictheRed wrote on 02/28/12 at 23:48:11:

I don't have the book, but does he perhaps cover it from a Grunfeld move order?

I thought of that, but I don't think he does. His Grunfeld coverage for White seems to start from the position after 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Qb3 dxc4 6.Qxc4 0-0 7.e4.
  
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Reply #217 - 02/28/12 at 23:48:11
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Straggler wrote on 02/28/12 at 23:40:20:
I was about to stick up for Kaufman on the ground that he gives more than enough detail for the likes of me. But, having just struggled against a Schlechter Slav (1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 g6), I turned to Kaufman to find out where I went wrong; and I can't find any mention of this line. Am I missing something?


I don't have the book, but does he perhaps cover it from a Grunfeld move order?

By the way, with the move order in your game White should be able to get a pleasant game with 5.Bf4, 5.cd cd 6.Bf4, or even 5.Qb3.  The Schlecter is usually only played after White blocks his Bishop in with an early e2-e3.
  
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Reply #216 - 02/28/12 at 23:40:20
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I was about to stick up for Kaufman on the ground that he gives more than enough detail for the likes of me. But, having just struggled against a Schlechter Slav (1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 g6), I turned to Kaufman to find out where I went wrong; and I can't find any mention of this line. Am I missing something?
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #215 - 02/28/12 at 20:13:17
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Again I think it would be better to have a tree variation approach or show the gamescore no more past move 30 unless absolutely necessary. That would give more space to theoretical discussion. This applies especially to the Grünfeld and Breyer chapters.
  

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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #214 - 02/28/12 at 13:29:15
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OK, I admit this is not the first bad book I have ever seen, nor the worst ever. 
But his treatment of the Breyer is shockingly shallow and bad. 
The least thing we would need right now is a booked-up Schiller. No, thank you.
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #213 - 02/28/12 at 12:10:20
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bohdan wrote on 02/28/12 at 10:26:45:
Good morning,

Could someone advise how good/bad is this book for not serious and not strong player, who play chess just because he like it and exclusively on internet (no OTB or real-time game, but also not really correspondence)? 

I like the previous Kaufman work very much, but I found his solution to Sicilian and Ruy Lopez  (black and white) as little bit boring when playing many games (sometimes too many) and following all the same road. As well as I could not find myself in semi-slav and continued with Tarrasch. Still found it nice to follow that book occasionally. 

With a new book Kaufman a bit “betrayed” me switching to 1.d4 Smiley. However, I can easily accept this as far as the lines offered will give some fun to play them.

So does this book offer lines which will be interesting to play even if it will be only lines someone play? Does not heavy relying on computer take out fun of the game (I stopped using engines just for that reason? Does the book contain reasonable and enough solutions to side-step lines on the way to main line?

Although I have a nice collection of openings books I like the idea to have only one, which I can take with me for example when travelling. And I do not care about lay-out (complete games or trees) as it is matter of personal taste and say nothing about content.

Thanks 
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I think the book will serve you well. This book is an improved version of his previous work. The opening variations that have been chosen give interesting positions, and in particular if you didn't like some of the dry choices that his previous book made (Moscow variation against Sicilian, Exchange Ruy, Berlin variation) the current book doesn't make those kinds of choices.

He basically sticks to strong main lines. In his previous book, he would choose "second-best" variations (like the Exchange Ruy or Moscow) to reduce the amount of theory that you had to study. In this book, he instead typically cuts down on the amount of theory one needs to study by choosing, within a main line, rarely played moves or novelties that the computer analysis actually prefers to the most popular move. I think that is a great approach.

He also gives a surprising number of options for a repertoire book. For example, after 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6, he gives complete repertoires consistent with both 3. Nc3 and with 3. Nf3.

I think this is a superb book--definitely anybody who liked his previous book should get this one.
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #212 - 02/28/12 at 12:01:17
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I just want to address quickly some negative comments that criticize the book as being too superficial. The point is: given the concept of putting a whole white and black rep into 500 pages, there are obvious space restraints. You simply cannot get the depth of other books, this is just impossible. He did a good job of selecting the most relevant stuff for these 500 pages.
I still think it is a good guideline and completely suffices for players below 2000, maybe even slightly more.
  
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Reply #211 - 02/28/12 at 10:26:45
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Good morning,

Could someone advise how good/bad is this book for not serious and not strong player, who play chess just because he like it and exclusively on internet (no OTB or real-time game, but also not really correspondence)? 

I like the previous Kaufman work very much, but I found his solution to Sicilian and Ruy Lopez  (black and white) as little bit boring when playing many games (sometimes too many) and following all the same road. As well as I could not find myself in semi-slav and continued with Tarrasch. Still found it nice to follow that book occasionally. 

With a new book Kaufman a bit “betrayed” me switching to 1.d4 Smiley. However, I can easily accept this as far as the lines offered will give some fun to play them.

So does this book offer lines which will be interesting to play even if it will be only lines someone play? Does not heavy relying on computer take out fun of the game (I stopped using engines just for that reason? Does the book contain reasonable and enough solutions to side-step lines on the way to main line?

Although I have a nice collection of openings books I like the idea to have only one, which I can take with me for example when travelling. And I do not care about lay-out (complete games or trees) as it is matter of personal taste and say nothing about content.

Thanks 
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #210 - 02/28/12 at 06:35:31
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spagh3tti wrote on 02/28/12 at 02:29:53:
gewgaw wrote on 02/27/12 at 23:22:45:

Sorry, the whole concept could have worked twenty years ago, when no one had databases and the reader was glad to get an overview, today this kind of presentation looks somewhat funny. 
All in all it´s really hard for me to see his target group, because his recommended openings are too ambitious for players under 1900, but the given lines are too light for stronger amateures.

Sad Shocked - rather harsh comment, maybe my expectations were too high or I´m spoiled by quality chess and chess-stars books.


I got the White and soon regretted it as well. 
It's a book like there were many in the pre-database era, when people were so hungry for scraps of information that even manure tasted good (yes, I have a couple of Schiller's "masterpieces" on my shelves).
Pages and pages of copied and pasted commentless scoresheet just to get to the end of games (do they have editors at new in chess??). No explanations, no ideas, very few alternatives with no effort at completeness or why what he suggests should be better than any other move. Entire defences refuted in a few pages.
There are a few interesting suggestions scattered in this sea of uselessness, I'll give him that.

I thought this kind of stuff was dead and buried.


Kaufman's first book was very popular and I think this one also will be. Many people prefer complete games. I used to like the tree format better, but as I get older/wiser I tend to like the game format. Comparing this to Schiller is very strange to me. There is no similarity.
  

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Reply #209 - 02/28/12 at 06:30:25
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ericmittens wrote on 02/27/12 at 23:40:33:
I was thinking the same thing gewgaw. I found the book REALLY underwhelming in terms of completeness. It feels like a more ambitious/less dishonest Dzindzi book. Maybe I've just been spoiled by chess stars/quality chess masterpieces.


Completeness?? So what did you expect from 500 pages? I'd say that any book, even the "Grandmaster repertoire" and "According to..." series are not complete. 250 pages per colour is enough to give a decent set of lines not impossible to remember.  It's a backbone to further investigations. Try reading what's in the book and don't focus on what's not in the book. If you would write down your own repertoire, how complete would it be?
  

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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #208 - 02/28/12 at 04:20:21
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spagh3tti wrote on 02/27/12 at 22:39:18:
@ghenghisclown

I dont know, sorry, I dont have the book.


S'ok!
  

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