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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #252 - 08/15/12 at 11:49:01
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Here is my third and final consecutive posting to this topic and it is about the Botvinnik-Variation.

Let us assume there is an opening variation where you reach a position that is mate in 15. You are winning! 

The problem is that you have to find 15 only moves and if you make a single mistake you are automatically lost. Even worse is that your first moves are not forced which means your opponent has a whole variety of options at his disposal.

Would you play this variation?

Here are twin games that made history. After Kasparov won the first game an improvement at move 30 was suggested in joint analysis together with other GMs. Dorfman was watching this analysis and he tried it in the very next game. Kasparov had to find a unique sequence of only moves in order to win, which equals not to lose in this position - but of course he had analyzed it at home.

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1069914
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1069915

While the Botvinnik may or may not be a theoretically perfect choice for white, I find it ridiculous to suggest it in such a format. I would reconsider this statement if he had gone for a sideline (early a4 for instance), but not if he wants to play the mainline.
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #251 - 08/15/12 at 11:18:26
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I think I should make a general statement on computer evaluations, so it is easier to understand what's wrong with that.

There is a book called "Questions of Modern Chess Theory" by Isaak Lipnitsky. In this book the author claims that there are two types of positions:
a. unsettled positions
b. settled positions

The first cathegory would be what we call "unclear". In such a position you have to analyze all complications until you reach a settled position, because only these settled positions can be evaluated. The reason is that our evaluation algorithm deals with static factors mostly, like pawn structure, material ballance etc.

With computer evaluations it is different. You put in an unclear position and the computer gives you a fixed number in return. Say there is a complicated line of the Botvinnik-Variation where like 3 pieces are hanging and there are connected passed pawns for black on the queenside and the computer says +1.24. Let us ignore the problem with engine horizon for the sake of the argument.

Unclear positions all of a sudden get numbers. So in an essence, they are not unclear at all anymore. You may not know what is going on, but you got a clear idea how it is to be evaluated: +1.24!

Kaufman's book is the extreme case for that. He talks about unsettled (unclear) positions and naturally cannot evaluate these with standard criteria, so he basically says "the computer likes it, so it must be good". Sometimes he mentions the bishop pair as the reason, but that may have something to do with his own rules of thumb and the corresponding evaluation in Kommodo. Which means if he always prefers the bishop pair without exceptions, his engine using his evaluation function does the same.

If you love numbers attached to unclear positions as your only guideline, this book is exactly what you are looking for. If you like to understand what you are doing in the opening, I suggest to look somewhere else.
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #250 - 08/15/12 at 07:46:06
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Dink Heckler wrote on 03/08/12 at 13:22:11:
The thread split caught me out, so I put my review in the wrong thread...

Got the book yesterday; only looked at the White rep, but looks like rubbish, frankly.
Repertoire seems like some thought has gone into it, but that's where it ends.

Problems: too much focus on sidelines vs mainlines - for example, he could have hacked down most of the sundry Benoni coverage into two or three paragraphs, and devoted a bit more attention to the Benko (which merits only two or three paragraphs).

Relatedly, what's the point of analysing out random non-thematic endings and stinting on opening coverage.

Thirdly, he seems to get distracted by wrinkles. So, he has an idea for a repertoire, but then gets waylaid because White has an interesting idea on move 12 of some line played in a recent game, which seems to give promising play. So that gets lumped in. 
You can't organise a repertoire for amateurs on the basis of the latest wrinkle. Next month, there'll be another one and then what? Reading a Kaufman book is like taking your cat for a walk.



I have to agree with this assessment.

The book is a collection of games with very few comments. As annotation he usually gives computer lines that go like 10 moves deep and that's it. The repertoire is more or less a random collection of "good" computer lines.

His assessments remind me a bit of Hans Berliner and his claims that he refuted the Grünfeld and so on. Such strong statements based on one mainline with everything else ignored, seem to be a bit vague to me.

His line in the KID that he considers to be a "very nearly refutation of the Nc6-line" ends with a drawn endgame. That's as very nearly won as it gets.

The really funny thing is that he evaluates positions based on Kommodo and Houdini and if both engines disagree, he tries to play referee like "I would like to play white here". That is ridiculous! Basically the position is unclear, nothing more and nothing less.

Finally I have some issues with the repertoire supposed to be "user-friendly". He does recommend the Botvinnik-System against the Semi-Slav which is about as tough for a user as it gets. This is the equivalent of recommending Bg5 against the Najdorf and it is very far from user friendly. You are basically supposed to play a totally unclear position where every non-computer move loses on the spot. Besides that, his suggestions are also a bit dubious in this line. It goes like this 

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"A serious alternative is 24. h4! (I'm recommending this move because all programs consulted give White the edge at the end, whereas there is some disagreement on the line played in the game)"

So basically nobody knows what is going on, but if you just put a pawn on h4 which may or may not queen 15-20 moves later, you should have the advantage.

Let's not forget that his line agains the Benko is nothing but a joke. Just accept it, play a4 and consolidate your extra pawn. If it was that easy... 
It is rather obvious that neither he nor his engines understand the foundation of the black compensation.

This book reminds me of my childhood. As a kid I memorized lots of "winning"-lines and if my opponent deviated from what he was supposed to do, I lost since I had absolutely no clue what was going on.

Basically the book can be summed up in:
As white play the Qc2-Nimzo, the Ne1/Be3-line against the KID and the Botvinnik against the Slav. With black, go with the Breyer and the Grünfeld. Don't bother with variations. The computers say, that you should be ok.
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #249 - 03/20/12 at 15:12:55
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Willempie wrote on 03/20/12 at 12:39:17:
To be fair, those holes dont seem very threatening to use an understatement. With that Vienna line, black can just play for something like Nc6, d6, 0-0 and Nd4 in some order.


Not so sure -- this line always reminds me of an old Informant/ECO game Kholmov-Kurajica in which White was better with Black playing like that (though he, plausibly enough, threw in ...a6).

One might think that ...Nc6, ...0-0 and ...Nd4 omitting ...d6 and ...a6 should be better and quite a decent try.  Oddly, glancing in a few books, none of them seems to consider that.
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #248 - 03/20/12 at 12:39:17
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To be fair, those holes dont seem very threatening to use an understatement. With that Vienna line, black can just play for something like Nc6, d6, 0-0 and Nd4 in some order.
  

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Reply #247 - 03/20/12 at 11:23:59
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A (more significant) hole I found was 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.g3, which is not covered at all. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.g3 Bc5 is considered, but White can meet 3...Bc5 with Nge2 setups as well. Fortunately Yearbook subscribers or owners of Gustafsson's DVD can fix up this hole quite easily, but still this should have been at least mentioned.
  

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Reply #246 - 03/19/12 at 22:16:50
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Ametanoitos wrote on 03/19/12 at 14:15:11:
It transposes to a Colle after 3...c5. I don't remember how he treats the Colle, but the system with a quick c5+cxd4 is promising as i remember....


Sure, but White could also play 4.dxc5 intending 4...Qa5 5.a3 Qc5 6.b4. Not that this should give White any edge but it would be nice to have something prepared against it.
  

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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #245 - 03/19/12 at 14:15:11
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It transposes to a Colle after 3...c5. I don't remember how he treats the Colle, but the system with a quick c5+cxd4 is promising as i remember....
  
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Reply #244 - 03/19/12 at 14:08:34
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I noticed today that 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.Nbd2 isn't covered in Kaufman's book. Do you think Black should accept a transposition to a Pirc with 3...Bg7 or go into the 3...d5 4.e3 Bg7 5.b4 variation? 3...Bg7 4.e4 d5 a la the Torre doesn't seem as strong without the moves Bg5 and ...0-0 included.
  

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Reply #243 - 03/11/12 at 11:04:40
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I own the book and have studied the White section in full. Personally I really like it. It's got some holes, but that's to be expected with just 200-250 pages. I really like the plethora of novelties covered in the book, and the explanations are quite good. The book taught me a lot about non-opening details - after studying this book I feel my understanding of exploiting the bishop pair has improved a lot since many of the variations aim for this very advantage. The game references are often a bit long, but that's only a small criticism. Kaufman is sometimes a little optimistic for White, which is to be expected in a repertoire book I guess, though whether the lines are better for White or not, they certainly pose real practical problems to the opponent. I haven't looked closely at the Black section, but on my current reading it seems relatively weaker than the White section, though still better than most complete repertoire works. 

I think this book serves its purpose well - to be a complete repertoire for say 1600-2200 players. For players above 2300 it's necessary to use other sources in order to enhance one's knowledge and understanding, but this is the case for nearly all repertoire works. In short, I'm impressed.

  

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Reply #242 - 03/10/12 at 23:36:26
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heavypieces wrote on 03/10/12 at 22:58:47:
Markovich Reply #239 - 03/02/12 at 17:45:36 wrote "Off-Topic replies have been moved to this Topic."

Markovich, perhaps you could be so good as to define what the topic of this thread - 'The Kaufman repertoire' - is? 

That might help me understand why my last post - which was my opinion of the white side of the Kaufman repertoire, then the black side of the Kaufman repertoire, and how both are or are not useful for amateurs - was shifted to the thread 'best systems for improving players'.

If I know what the topic of 'The Kaufman Repertoire' is, then it will help me avoid making irrelevant/off-topic posts.

Regards,
Heavypieces. 

Looking at your post of 3-8-12, which is the only post of yours that I find in the other thread, it does not seem to mention the book at all but does seem to concern itself entirely with what systems are good for lower-rated players. I am sorry if I mistook its meaning, but reading it again, Ithink it belongs there, not here.

We were on two topics in one thread, you know? And I was trying to correct it.
  

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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #241 - 03/10/12 at 22:58:47
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Markovich Reply #239 - 03/02/12 at 17:45:36 wrote "Off-Topic replies have been moved to this Topic."

Markovich, perhaps you could be so good as to define what the topic of this thread - 'The Kaufman repertoire' - is? 

That might help me understand why my last post - which was my opinion of the white side of the Kaufman repertoire, then the black side of the Kaufman repertoire, and how both are or are not useful for amateurs - was shifted to the thread 'best systems for improving players'.

If I know what the topic of 'The Kaufman Repertoire' is, then it will help me avoid making irrelevant/off-topic posts.

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Reply #240 - 03/08/12 at 13:22:11
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The thread split caught me out, so I put my review in the wrong thread...

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Got the book yesterday; only looked at the White rep, but looks like rubbish, frankly.
Repertoire seems like some thought has gone into it, but that's where it ends.

Problems: too much focus on sidelines vs mainlines - for example, he could have hacked down most of the sundry Benoni coverage into two or three paragraphs, and devoted a bit more attention to the Benko (which merits only two or three paragraphs).

Relatedly, what's the point of analysing out random non-thematic endings and stinting on opening coverage.

Thirdly, he seems to get distracted by wrinkles. So, he has an idea for a repertoire, but then gets waylaid because White has an interesting idea on move 12 of some line played in a recent game, which seems to give promising play. So that gets lumped in. 
You can't organise a repertoire for amateurs on the basis of the latest wrinkle. Next month, there'll be another one and then what? Reading a Kaufman book is like taking your cat for a walk.

  

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Reply #238 - 03/01/12 at 13:57:09
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When it comes to the Grunfeld, I agree that it is a tough system to learn because of the multitude of pawn structures that can arise. But you can say the same about the Nimzoindian as well, even though it is has quite often been recommended even for sub 1500 players. Both openings are theory packed, but I think that a big mass of theory is actually not such a problem for club players.

Maybe it depends on your attitude to opening theory, but looking at the games played between sub 2200 players, I am quite sure it doesn't matter much what you play as long as it isn't outright bad. Because if there is a lot of theory, usually the people that play the lines won't remember much of it anyhow. If you do understand your system, in terms of typical structures, middle- and endgames, to me it seems like this matter much more (doh, sorry for that cliche). More to the point, though, perhaps lots of theory is good, because the likelyhood your opponent will follow theory is rather low?! On top of this, whatever advantage you get (often pretty small and hard to exploit at a certain level), the games often swing a lot due to other things than the opening. Additionally, maybe the reason there is a lot of theory is because there are many plausible ways to play that particular opening?

Above around 2200, I think it is more likely you get punished for not knowing theory, but still many games are decided despite not following theory. 

A an anecdote, I had a discussion with a player on my team, ranked more than 2300, and he asked me (u1800) about the theory, Marin's GM5 in this case, because he couldn't remember exactly when to sac a pawn at early moves in one of the more known line. Still, he's been playing English set-ups way longer than I have, and I think I have also seen him play a game in the same style, but not following up correctly.
  
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