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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #87 - 01/28/12 at 00:49:42
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I am a Grünfeld player, and I play both the Sicilian Najdorf and Petroff against 1. e4. I do not see anything wrong with the Breyer and the Grünfeld or 1. e4 e5 in general, since not all variations of the Spanish are too positional. The Breyer seems to offer more open positions and dynamic play than the Chigorin or Rubinstein, which seem solider.
  

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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #86 - 01/28/12 at 00:41:07
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Repertoire books can be more abstract in concept than aiming for certain perceived playing styles. If anything this sort of thing is more useful in striving for the more universal style of play necessary today for success.
  

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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #85 - 01/28/12 at 00:15:02
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I've been hoping that someone else would raise this so that I wouldn't have to show my ignorance, but it looks as if I'm out of luck. The thing is, it seems to me a bit odd to recommend the classical 1.e4 e5 on the one hand and the hypermodern Grünfeld on the other. I know strong players aren't concerned about "consistency" and just play whatever they think is best. But most of the book's readers will be club players; and, in that category, I suspect that people who play the Grünfeld will prefer the Sicilian or Alekhine, and people who play 1.e4 e5 will prefer the Queen's Gambit or Nimzo. I, for example, am a recent (and very belated) convert to 1.e4 e5, but until now had never seriously considered the Grünfeld because I thought it was too difficult for the likes of me. Is it in fact closer in spirit to 1.e4 e5, and more suitable for us patzers, than I had supposed? Do the proponents of the Markovich doctrine regard it as a reasonable alternative to the Tarrasch in this respect? 
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #84 - 01/25/12 at 19:28:53
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Tullius wrote on 01/25/12 at 17:29:37:

After a DB check i have found an interesting idea 4.h3 and then most players play 4...d6 (4....d5 without Bg4 makes not sense) and now 5.Be3 and welcome in Game 4.4 !


4... d5 is a major line here and if White continues with 5.Nf3 then both 5... Nf6 and 5... Nh6 (intending ... f6 & ... Nf7) are possible.

After 1.d4 g6 2.c4 White also has to be ready for 2... f5 again transposing to the Dutch though here ideas with an early h4 may be interesting. 

I have the first edition of this book an while far from perfect it was an interesting read.

I expect the same here and in a book like this some things have to be left out...
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #83 - 01/25/12 at 17:29:37
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But what is White supposed to do if Black after 1. d4 g6 2. c4 is not intending to play the King's Indian?


Maybe then you are in the Old Indian chapter - game 6.2. But it seems that here is indeed a gap and you have to do the work yourself.

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But what about a system like 1. d4 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. Nc3 c6.


After a DB check i have found an interesting idea 4.h3 and then most players play 4...d6 (4....d5 without Bg4 makes not sense) and now 5.Be3 and welcome in Game 4.4 !

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This is an omission indeed.


5.Qc2 is interesting and perhaps a nice quick fix.
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #82 - 01/25/12 at 17:11:57
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If we are to believe Nunn and McNab they are inferiore to the KID as well.

Kashgar wrote on 01/25/12 at 09:28:01:
But what I don't understand is why Kaufman doesn't give a note to 1. d4 e6 2. c4 f5 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 Be7. I know that 4....Bb4 is supposed to be the solution to this system by White but 4....Be7 will be played quite often by Black (I think).

This is an omission indeed. 5.e3 O-O 6.Bd3 d6 is Van den Berg-Burstein, Tel Aviv 1956, but 6...d5 is a Stonewall White might want to avoid.

TN wrote on 01/25/12 at 06:55:52:
Fortunately those who own the book 'A Killer Chess Opening Repertoire for White' can play 2.Nf3 f5 3.d5.

Unfortunately for White those who own Williams' Play the Classical Dutch know how to play against it.

Me having played 1.e4 for more than 20 years just answer 1...e6 with 2.e4.
  

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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #81 - 01/25/12 at 16:27:13
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But what is White supposed to do if Black after 1. d4 g6 2. c4 is not intending to play the King's Indian?
For instance: 1. d4 g6 2. c4 Bg7 3. e4 d6 4. Nc3 and then no 4....Nf6 but moves like 4....e5, 4....Nc6 and 4....Nd7. They will be played by Modern Defence players who don't like to transpose to the KIng's Indian Defence.
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #80 - 01/25/12 at 12:34:54
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But what about a system like 1. d4 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. Nc3 c6.



I think you have to play 2.c4. The repertoire switsches to 1.e4 lines only after 1.d4 d6.
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #79 - 01/25/12 at 09:28:01
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I agree with Tullius on the part of entering the Stonewall via the Semi Slav move order. Developing the bishop to f4 seems quite strong.
But what I don't understand is why Kaufman doesn't give a note to 1. d4 e6 2. c4 f5 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 Be7. I know that 4....Bb4 is supposed to be the solution to this system by White but 4....Be7 will be played quite often by Black (I think).

And also in the Modern move order (1. d4 g6) I have a question. Kaufman only treats this move in the Chapter on 1. d4 d6 saying that 1. d4 g6 should transpose. But what about a system like 1. d4 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. Nc3 c6. I know it is not a refutation of White's play  Wink but it is played quite often. (at least much more than the Englund gambit wich is covered  Wink )
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #78 - 01/25/12 at 08:49:43
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It seems as though he has completely left out a repertoire for White vs. the Stonewall/Classical Dutch against those who enter it via 1.. e6 or via the Noteboom move order (stronewall)!   


As i have played the Durch (Classic/Dutch) in the past i was interested to see his lines against these variations. His solution is that he avoids the g2-setup and plays 2.c4 and 3.Nf3. As most Dutch player have learnt here 3.Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 Bb4 should be an easy equalizer. Kaufmann now gives 5.Qb3 or 5.Bd2 with a later g3 (which he favours a little bit). 

His main idea is that White will have the better persepective if Black changes on c3 because White has the two bishops. This is a common theme in his approach because he values the bishop pair very high (4.Qc2 in the Nimzo is an other example). The lines he gives are at least very clever and reasoned.

I made an countercheck in Johnson/Bern "Win with the Stonewall Dutch" and in the light of Kaufman`s book it seemed they missed some critical ideas when White plays without g3 (the same seems true for 2.Bg5). The Ld2 with g3 is not also convered by Williams in "Play the Classical Dutch". In these lines there is a lot of poison and many black players and advocates have a tendency to underrate them.

The Stonewall against Nc3 without g3 is not considered good because 4....d5?! 5. Lf4! gives Black serious problems (Johnson/Bern).

Overall i think the Kaufman repertoire is extrem solid and will give you good chances to gain an advantage. It is ideal as starting point for developing your own repertoire and even when you choose other systems you will you have at least a good backup plan.
  
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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #77 - 01/25/12 at 07:32:01
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Definitely possible, though it still leaves me wondering why he didn't at least include an option such as this (+something for stonewall slav) in what is otherwise quite an admirable effort.

Sadly one of my main hopes in buying this book was to see what he offers vs. the Classical Dutch on a 1.. e6 move order as a prospective player from the Black Side.  I've been very excited by developments in the 7.. Ne4 mainline of the Classical and Alekhine's old 6.. Ne4 move order (with stonewall/classical flexibility to avoid Qc2/Nbd2 setups in the mainline) and was keen to see what his extensive computer analysis recommended against my own analyis.  Have to wait for Schandorff's d4 rep part 2, or B. Paulsen/Delchev Nf3 rep I suppose.

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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #76 - 01/25/12 at 07:21:06
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TN wrote on 01/25/12 at 06:55:52:
huggy wrote on 01/25/12 at 06:50:06:
gwnn wrote on 01/19/12 at 11:43:13:
BTW vs the Dutch he plays 2 Bg5 but also covers 1 d4 e6 2 c4 f5, don't ask me now what he recommends exactly.


I just received the book today and had a quick flick through before work. It seems as though he has completely left out a repertoire for White vs. the Stonewall/Classical Dutch against those who enter it via 1.. e6 or via the Noteboom move order (stronewall)!  

In the introduction for the Dutch chapter he mentions that 1.. e6  is the only way for black players to enter Stonewall, Classical mainlines but then proceeds to only analyse 1.. e6 lines involving an early Bb4+.  There is no mention at all of an f5 possibility in his Semi-Slav chapter.

Have I missed something??

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Fortunately those who own the book 'A Killer Chess Opening Repertoire for White' can play 2.Nf3 f5 3.d5.


The old Burgess/Pedersen book had 1.d4 f5 2.Nc3 and a section on 1.d4 e6 2.c4 f5, I think.
  

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Reply #75 - 01/25/12 at 06:55:52
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huggy wrote on 01/25/12 at 06:50:06:
gwnn wrote on 01/19/12 at 11:43:13:
BTW vs the Dutch he plays 2 Bg5 but also covers 1 d4 e6 2 c4 f5, don't ask me now what he recommends exactly.


I just received the book today and had a quick flick through before work. It seems as though he has completely left out a repertoire for White vs. the Stonewall/Classical Dutch against those who enter it via 1.. e6 or via the Noteboom move order (stronewall)!  

In the introduction for the Dutch chapter he mentions that 1.. e6  is the only way for black players to enter Stonewall, Classical mainlines but then proceeds to only analyse 1.. e6 lines involving an early Bb4+.  There is no mention at all of an f5 possibility in his Semi-Slav chapter.

Have I missed something??

Huggy


Fortunately those who own the book 'A Killer Chess Opening Repertoire for White' can play 2.Nf3 f5 3.d5.
  

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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #74 - 01/25/12 at 06:50:06
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gwnn wrote on 01/19/12 at 11:43:13:
BTW vs the Dutch he plays 2 Bg5 but also covers 1 d4 e6 2 c4 f5, don't ask me now what he recommends exactly.


I just received the book today and had a quick flick through before work. It seems as though he has completely left out a repertoire for White vs. the Stonewall/Classical Dutch against those who enter it via 1.. e6 or via the Noteboom move order (stronewall)!   

In the introduction for the Dutch chapter he mentions that 1.. e6  is the only way for black players to enter Stonewall, Classical mainlines but then proceeds to only analyse 1.. e6 lines involving an early Bb4+.  There is no mention at all of an f5 possibility in his Semi-Slav chapter.

Have I missed something??

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Re: The Kaufman repertoire
Reply #73 - 01/24/12 at 19:04:35
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Straggler wrote on 01/24/12 at 17:50:16:
ghenghisclown wrote on 01/24/12 at 01:10:35:
Bringing the conversation back to 1e4 e5 for a bit...I believe it was MNB who, on another thread, suggested that one reason to prefer the Two Knights over Bc5 was because Black's d5 idea vs White usual c3&d3 doesn't work if White delays c3 until after Black plays d6? I see that this idea would be covered in Chapter 14 of Lysyj and Ovetchkin's book (we'll have to wait), but is it mentioned as a idea for White here in Kaufman's opus?

Not as far as I can see. He only has one game (3 pages) on the quiet Italian, and the plan involves ...d6, ...Ne7 and ...Ng6.

   
Thanks Straggler!
...This is the approach Vigorito took in his Chesslecture series on playing 1...e5.
  

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