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Re: English language
Reply #22 - 02/21/12 at 17:12:11
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trw wrote on 02/21/12 at 17:07:27:
Yes but in that case you use the words "NA" and "SA" for North and South America. To use America and US-America is just very awkward and weird word choice (since we are on the subject of language!).

Typically, outside of USA & CAN none of the other countries have English as the official language.

  
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Reply #21 - 02/21/12 at 17:10:16
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trw wrote on 02/21/12 at 17:07:27:
Yes but in that case you use the words "NA" and "SA" for North and South America. To use America and US-America is just very awkward and weird word choice (since we are on the subject of language!).

Typically, outside of USA & CAN none of the other countries have English as the official language.


Just off the top of my head; Jamaica, Belize, Bahamas, Trinidad and Tobago, St. Kitts and Nevis? Could be wrong about one or two of them.  Smiley

Don't you agree it's a bit arrogant of one country in America/the Americas to refer to itself as simply "America"?
  

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Yes but in that case you use the words "NA" and "SA" for North and South America. To use America and US-America is just very awkward and weird word choice (since we are on the subject of language!).

Typically, outside of USA & CAN none of the other countries have English as the official language.
  
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Re: English language
Reply #19 - 02/21/12 at 17:00:44
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trw wrote on 02/21/12 at 16:36:38:
Jupp53 wrote on 02/21/12 at 11:05:08:
My latino friends taught me to differentiate between American and US-American for cultural and human rights reasons.


Huh?  Shocked


You know, the America (North and South) that consists of 35 countries and some 20 dependent territories? 

There's much more to America than the United States of America, even if people from the U.S. and the language used to describe them too often ignore that fact. I was guilty of this "U.S.-centrism" myself a few posts back, in fact.
  

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Jupp53 wrote on 02/21/12 at 11:05:08:
My latino friends taught me to differentiate between American and US-American for cultural and human rights reasons.


Huh?  Shocked
  
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Re: English language
Reply #17 - 02/21/12 at 15:39:14
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Well some of the softer Welsh accents are lovely too.

The thing with the road signs isn't such a surprise - Gaelic is after all their official language. Of course that doesn't stop them speaking perfect English too Smiley

Actually if Wiki is to be believed, English is the dominant language in actual use. Not a surprise given how long we spent as repressive overlords. Of course that also explains their choice of official language!

All the road signs in Wales are dual language too, for sort of similar reasons.
  
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Re: English language
Reply #16 - 02/21/12 at 15:34:00
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Irish English is in my opinion the most congenial version of English, and if the US made it its official language (which seems to be lacking - see below) they'd probably be more liked and less prone to make war. :)

[quote]English is the most common language in the United States. Though the U.S. federal government has no official language, English is the common language used by the federal government and is considered the de facto language of the United States because of its widespread use. English has been given official status by 28 of the 50 state governments.[/quote]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_English
  
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Re: English language
Reply #15 - 02/21/12 at 13:28:02
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Having visited Dublin myself, I have to concur with the original quote.
Everywhere there are incomprehensible signs in Gaelic.
  

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Re: English language
Reply #14 - 02/21/12 at 11:05:08
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(Language is a cultural subject. German school books  do teach British English.)

When asking about more than verbal meanings of English phrases out of songs or literature I was used to refer to "native speakers" independent of their origin. Once asking an US-American friend how she would understand a phrase as a "native speaker" she was emotional about my perception of her as having indian roots. Telling this British people made them wonder or smile.

My latino friends taught me to differentiate between American and US-American for cultural and human rights reasons.

There's no single English language. A serious definition of a language is: "A language is a dialect supported by an army."
  

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Re: English language
Reply #13 - 02/21/12 at 06:04:12
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MNb wrote on 02/21/12 at 01:31:06:
Bibs wrote on 02/19/12 at 23:45:30:
Indeed 'foreigner' is a loaded word.

Only because a certain band released a song called "I want to know what love is".

Smiley Made me chuckle, thanks mnb.
  
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Re: English language
Reply #12 - 02/21/12 at 04:04:08
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Note: it's not because of political correctness I questioned it, it's because: 1) it's not like nearly everyone here is American as can clearly be seen from many topics and 2) obviously Americans aren't the only ones who speak English natively(!), and I am not sure if he thinks that Irish people don't speak English natively. 
  
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Re: English language
Reply #11 - 02/21/12 at 01:31:06
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Bibs wrote on 02/19/12 at 23:45:30:
Indeed 'foreigner' is a loaded word.

Only because a certain band released a song called "I want to know what love is".
  

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Re: English language
Reply #10 - 02/21/12 at 00:13:35
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This Topic was moved here from Anti-Sicilians [move by] trw.
  
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Re: English language
Reply #9 - 02/20/12 at 10:00:40
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There's an interesting discussion to be had about spelling/style conventions in chess literature -- but in General Chess, not here. And as Bibs says, the language discussion belongs in Chit Chat.
  
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Re: English language
Reply #8 - 02/20/12 at 04:17:51
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Bibs wrote on 02/20/12 at 02:33:50:
Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 02/20/12 at 02:13:41:
Most of the English-speaking world speak, write, and spell British English. Since approximately 2 billion people are in the Commonwealth, they will be speaking British English...


You don't know that. I don't know that. And language teaching is my job.
’Most of the English speaking world?’
What world is that?
That includes only as L1 (first language)? Or L2? Or rather as 'other language'. At what level of competence? Native speaker paradigm? EIL paradigm?
Speaking and writing? Both? Which?
But you tried to argue this elsewhere. 
Is plenty of literature on this. Suggest you read some of it. And take it to non-chess.
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English-speaking world as in the Commonwealth and USA. But do not Commonwealth nations learn British spelling (i.e. labour not labor, etc.) when they learn English, either as a first or second language? And are not approximately 2 billion people living in Commonwealth nations? Having relatives living in Commonwealth nations such as Canada, Australia, Hong Kong, etc., I can attest that when they do speak English, they speak, write, and spell British English (though not with British accents).

But then again, are not most chess books written in British English? Everyman, Quality Chess, Gambit, whose books I infer most of us read and discuss on these forums--are not the books in British English?
  

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