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Bibs God Member Offline Posts: 2342 Joined: 10/24/06	Re: English language Reply #7 - 02/20/12 at 02:33:50	Post Tools	Print Post
	Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 02/20/12 at 02:13:41: Most of the English-speaking world speak, write, and spell British English. Since approximately 2 billion people are in the Commonwealth, they will be speaking British English... You don't know that. I don't know that. And language teaching is my job. ’Most of the English speaking world?’ What world is that? That includes only as L1 (first language)? Or L2?　Or rather as 'other language'. At what level of competence? Native speaker paradigm? EIL paradigm? Speaking and writing? Both? Which? But you tried to argue this elsewhere. Is plenty of literature on this. Suggest you read some of it. And take it to non-chess. MODERATORS?


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Gilchrist is a legend God Member Offline Posts: 1039 Location: Manchester, UK Joined: 03/02/10	Re: English language Reply #6 - 02/20/12 at 02:13:41	Post Tools	Print Post
	Most of the English-speaking world speak, write, and spell British English. Since approximately 2 billion people are in the Commonwealth, they will be speaking British English...

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Bibs God Member Offline Posts: 2342 Joined: 10/24/06	Re: English language Reply #5 - 02/19/12 at 23:45:30	Post Tools	Print Post
	Stigma wrote on 02/19/12 at 23:04:28: This is a bit silly. In Ireland, only a minority of less than 100.000 speak Irish Gaelic as their first language, so it is extremely likely that English is Collins' mother tongue. He is not a "foreigner" in any sense relating to the English language. On an international forum like this, why not just use "non-American" or "non-US" if that's the intended meaning? @Markovich: Some would say that Americans speak English with American accents, as opposed to British, Irish, Australian, Canadian, Caribbean etc. ones. Was it trolling? Indeed 'foreigner' is a loaded word. I know that BBC has banned the use of this word by presenters. It has no meaning as BBC is a global network - no one is foreign. Or perhaps everyone is foreign to someone. As you wish. Sam Collins is Irish. He speaks English. Great.　 Moving on. MODERATORS - draw a line under this foolishness and bring it back to chess please.


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Stigma God Member Offline There is a crack in everything. Posts: 3277 Joined: 11/07/06 Gender:	Re: English language Reply #4 - 02/19/12 at 23:04:28	Post Tools	Print Post
	This is a bit silly. In Ireland, only a minority of less than 100.000 speak Irish Gaelic as their first language, so it is extremely likely that English is Collins' mother tongue. He is not a "foreigner" in any sense relating to the English language. On an international forum like this, why not just use "non-American" or "non-US" if that's the intended meaning? @Markovich: Some would say that Americans speak English with American accents, as opposed to British, Irish, Australian, Canadian, Caribbean etc. ones.

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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10778 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: English language Reply #3 - 02/19/12 at 22:06:01	Post Tools	Print Post
	Markovich wrote on 02/19/12 at 14:29:20: But love us or hate us, we are what we are. OK, sometimes one, sometimes the other, but don't you guys from the US separate between native English speakers (like Collins) and non-native English speakers (weird people like me)? Markovich wrote on 02/19/12 at 14:29:20: where you can get in your car, drive for five days, Get into an airplane, fly a few thousand miles, land in Dublin and guess what? They still speak English! Likely they even have some relatives in your own country.

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MartinC God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 2115 Joined: 07/24/06	Re: English language Reply #2 - 02/19/12 at 14:54:24	Post Tools	Print Post
	Well foreigner in this context would tend to mean anyone for whom English isn't their main language. Not totally unreasonable here, because he is Irish. Although that's obviously really rather confused nowadays!


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Markovich God Member Offline Posts: 6099 Location: Columbus, Ohio Joined: 09/17/04	Re: English language Reply #1 - 02/19/12 at 14:29:20	Post Tools	Print Post
	Uhohspaghettio wrote on 02/19/12 at 00:22:04: Reverse wrote on 02/17/12 at 16:46:26: On a Positive note concerning Collins' DVD's, it is quite nice to hear a foreigner speak english with such great diction. Im from america and as a result I know like.....12 words. "a foreigner"...? Yes, we Americans call non-Americans foreigners. Not everyone will regard this as polite, but it comes from living in a country of 320 million people who speak and think more or less the same as you do; where you can get in your car, drive for five days, get out, and still be among people who not only speak your language, but speak it as their mother tongue and without discernable accent. For the same reason, most of us are terrible at foreign languages and are unreasonably ignorant of foreign goings-on, even those in Canada. But love us or hate us, we are what we are.

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Uhohspaghettio God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 515 Joined: 02/23/11	English language 02/19/12 at 00:22:04	Post Tools	Print Post
	Reverse wrote on 02/17/12 at 16:46:26: On a Positive note concerning Collins' DVD's, it is quite nice to hear a foreigner speak english with such great diction. Im from america and as a result I know like.....12 words. "a foreigner"...?


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