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Re: C44: White repertoire for a 7-8 year old boy
Reply #10 - 04/02/12 at 16:59:22
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If you want your boy to lose interest in chess, than one of the surest ways is to start with a repertoire. At that age, I would limit any opening theory to the general rules. Usually at that age they can make quick progress and even more motivation from "direct applicable" practice. Ie tactical tricks, which they can use in their own games and which can be done in an easy format (a move is good or not). You can also see this when you see kids that age repeat cholar's mate, even after it didnt work in the last 10 games. Because they had direct success they'll keep repeating it, until they themselves beat one of them off.
  

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Re: C44: White repertoire for a 7-8 year old boy
Reply #9 - 04/02/12 at 16:40:29
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I would not be teaching a 7 year old to think in terms of a repertoire. Instead, I would encourage him to  play open positions looking for forcing lines. 

I tell my young students not to worry about what name an opening has. If it's a good opening, chances are that it has a name, but that shouldn't guide my student. Your examples are an excellent illustration of this. 

Rather than impose a repertoire, have your student analyse his own games thoroughly and learn to see the forcing lines.
  
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Re: C44: White repertoire for a 7-8 year old boy
Reply #8 - 04/02/12 at 16:07:35
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PANFR wrote on 04/02/12 at 16:02:21:
1.e4 e5 2.d4 ed4 3.Nf3 Bb4+ 4.c3 dc3 5.Nxc3 Bxc3+ 6.dc3 Ne7 has been known as an effortless equalizer since the stone age.

Absolutely!  Cool And it's in the repertoire, too..
But it doesn't mean that it can't fit for a 7-year old boy..  Smiley
  
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Re: C44: White repertoire for a 7-8 year old boy
Reply #7 - 04/02/12 at 16:02:21
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1.e4 e5 2.d4 ed4 3.Nf3 Bb4+ 4.c3 dc3 5.Nxc3 Bxc3+ 6.dc3 Ne7 has been known as an effortless equalizer since the stone age.
  
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Re: C44: White repertoire for a 7-8 year old boy
Reply #6 - 04/02/12 at 16:01:18
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He-he, guys, look at the variety of openings he chooses for now!  Grin



Wow, we already play Ruy Lopez.  Wink
The next one with white:



I doubt he knows he played an opening called The Scotch Game..  Smiley

Omg, now I see he played another opening at his previous tournament (Wow!  Shocked)



Four Knights ?!  Shocked
Well, that's a profound knowledge of chess openings!  Grin
(What can I teach him about the openings?! He played almost everything already!  Roll Eyes )
  
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Re: C44: White repertoire for a 7-8 year old boy
Reply #5 - 04/02/12 at 15:22:01
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As I said, I chose this move order to avoid some lines in Petroff and Philidor (a lot of theory for a small boy)...and to show the chess tempo importance with 2.d4 - forces exd4.. 3.Nf3 - "give my pawn back!", then 4.Bc4 - rapid development heading for attack on f7, 5.0-0 next - aiming for Rf1-e1...and so on... But I forgot 3....c7-c5 which somehow spoils my lesson..  Cheesy
But who knows?!.. After all, the boy can vary with the two move orders afterwards.  Wink
  
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Re: 1.e4 e5 White repertoire for a 7-8 year old boy
Reply #4 - 04/02/12 at 14:35:42
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SWJediknight wrote on 04/02/12 at 13:17:19:
In the 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.Nf3 move-order White also has to be aware of 3...c5!? (which isn't as bad as it looks, and will tempt a lot of novices).  3...Bb4+ 4.c3 dxc3 5.Nxc3 is best met by 5...Nc6 and we have the main line of the Goring Gambit.  I use this move-order a lot with White and don't think there's much wrong with it objectively, but I tend to agree with TN that the "standard" order 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 is probably more suitable for novices- at that level you don't run into too many problems with Petroffs, Latvians and Elephants.

I also agree with the 7.Bd2 line of the Giuoco Piano.  Again I see nothing wrong objectively with 7.Nbd2- indeed in my opinion it's probably White's best way to generate play at high levels- but the theoretical objections to 7.Bd2 are hardly going to be an issue at novice level.

Also, once the junior player reaches a relatively high standard there's nothing to stop him from refining the repertoire by smuggling in the move-order 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.Nf3 and replacing 7.Bd2 in the Giuoco Piano with 7.Nbd2.

I recall finding the line with 4...Nf6 5.0-0 Nxe4 6.Re1 d5 7.Bxd5 Qxd5 8.Nc3 highly attractive when I was a junior player, due to the very "visual" nature of the tactical play.  As an aside, in about a decade of sporadically using that line with White, I have yet to encounter an opponent who got as far as 8...Qa5 or 8...Qh5, and that includes some games played at club level- so again I would tend to agree with the lack of need to know theory beyond 9.Nxe4.


Personally I think 7.Nbd2 and 7.Bd2 are about equivalent - Black has more than one way to fully equalise, but he has to be accurate. That's straying a bit from the thread topic though.
  

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Re: 1.e4 e5 White repertoire for a 7-8 year old boy
Reply #3 - 04/02/12 at 13:50:16
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Wow, thanks! I never thought of that 7.Bd2.. The same is about the right move order (I wanted to eliminate some Petroff and Philidor lines)... Appreciate your advices about not prolonging after 9.Nxe4, but wanted to show the main plan for white next.  Wink
Once again, thank you TN & SWJediknight! You were very helpful.  Smiley
  
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Re: 1.e4 e5 White repertoire for a 7-8 year old boy
Reply #2 - 04/02/12 at 13:17:19
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In the 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.Nf3 move-order White also has to be aware of 3...c5!? (which isn't as bad as it looks, and will tempt a lot of novices).  3...Bb4+ 4.c3 dxc3 5.Nxc3 is best met by 5...Nc6 and we have the main line of the Goring Gambit.  I use this move-order a lot with White and don't think there's much wrong with it objectively, but I tend to agree with TN that the "standard" order 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 is probably more suitable for novices- at that level you don't run into too many problems with Petroffs, Latvians and Elephants.

I also agree with the 7.Bd2 line of the Giuoco Piano.  Again I see nothing wrong objectively with 7.Nbd2- indeed in my opinion it's probably White's best way to generate play at high levels- but the theoretical objections to 7.Bd2 are hardly going to be an issue at novice level.

Also, once the junior player reaches a relatively high standard there's nothing to stop him from refining the repertoire by smuggling in the move-order 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.Nf3 and replacing 7.Bd2 in the Giuoco Piano with 7.Nbd2.

I recall finding the line with 4...Nf6 5.0-0 Nxe4 6.Re1 d5 7.Bxd5 Qxd5 8.Nc3 highly attractive when I was a junior player, due to the very "visual" nature of the tactical play.  As an aside, in about a decade of sporadically using that line with White, I have yet to encounter an opponent who got as far as 8...Qa5 or 8...Qh5, and that includes some games played at club level- so again I would tend to agree with the lack of need to know theory beyond 9.Nxe4.
  
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Re: 1.e4 e5 White repertoire for a 7-8 year old boy
Reply #1 - 04/02/12 at 12:48:22
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I think it would be better to use a 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 ed4 4.Bc4 move order, which cuts out Black's alternatives to 3...Nc6 after 2.d4 exd4 3.Nf3 (with the exception of 2...d6 3.d4 exd4). Against the Petroff, knowing the 3.Nxe5 Nxe4 4.Qe2 Nf6 5.Nc6 trap is sufficient. 

Since your son is very new to chess, he doesn't need to know much opening theory. It's more important that he understands the key opening principles. It can be very difficult to convince a young, inexperienced player of the importance of getting all your pieces into the game, but if you can then he will win a lot of games against his peers just because he has all of his pieces developed and his opponents' don't. 

In the 4...Nf6 line he doesn't need to know any theory past 9.Nxe4, and in the 6...Bb4 line, I think it's better to teach him 7.Bd2. Of course 7.Nbd2 is playable, but it's strange to recommend moves to a beginner which block rapid development, all the more so when it entails sacrificing a pawn too. I wouldn't suggest 7.Nc3 either - he would probably get a number of quick wins with it if he develops his pieces quickly, but it could teach the bad habit of not expecting the opponent to play the best move/moves.

  

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C44: White repertoire for a 7-8 year old boy
04/02/12 at 12:19:35
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I intend to teach my 7 year and a half old son to the following 1.e4 e5 opening repertoire for white:


I would like to stress that this repertoire is aimed for an almost beginner who doesn't know more than 4-5 opening moves up to date. And the teaching process would be long, not less than 3 months or so..
My intentions are to let the boy play an open tactical game with free piece development, thus cultivating the knowledge for the importance of chess tempos. I want to present him an 1.e4 e5 repertoire which doesn't pretend for an advantage, but for soundness. My aim is to avoid the strategical positions after say 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 (Bc5) 4.d3.. I feel my other choices can be Ruy Lopez Exchange 4.Bxc6 (good for starting with Spanish, but not too good for opening the position and with too much strategy in it...and what's more giving the bishop pair  Wink), the classical Four Knights (too closed in my opinion) or the Scotch Game (not so tactical and too much theory for a small boy)..
So I pled my case.., any opinions?
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