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Reply #19 - 05/07/12 at 09:24:52
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I think  you said you are 2250 Gilchrist, in which case you would easily get a place in the lower boards of top division or higher boards in second division. 
I imagine team captains are mainly looking for reliable players so they unlikely tobe any issues of dropping people on the basis of a few results.
Ido not play 4 ncl as the time limit is very slow and it seemes a lot of travel/ accomodation cost to play 1 game in aday. In chess terms I feel a congress especially rapidplay is better value. Though you can get to spectate some high level players too.
of course some people may be attracted by the slow time limit and the opportunity to play fide rated games. And of course if you have convivial team mates it makes a nice weekend break.


I did play the 4ncl rapidplay and that was very well organised and avery good venue I n my opinion.

Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 04/26/12 at 00:20:20:
I was wondering how playing in the 4NCL is for players who are busy, for example university students. I see that most of the playing stations are in the south, how difficult would it be for a busy player who lives up north (i.e. Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle,  Liverpool, etc.)? And how do teams function? Is a player chosen in the team or dropped from a team based on performance, like in football if a striker fails to score goals or a top order batsman in cricket is averaging less than 20 in a series, and a substitute chosen to play a certain group of games?

  
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Reply #18 - 04/30/12 at 10:15:18
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Changing the direction of the thread slightly, but does anyone actually like the Hinckley Island venue? The rooms are very nice but the queues to get them are enormous, and I never seem to be able to get in mine until Saturday evening, which makes preparation a problem. On top of that you only get 30 mins free internet and a decent coffee is expensive (in some venues they are free, or you pay Ł2 for a whole weekend's worth). Angry
  
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Reply #17 - 04/30/12 at 08:33:46
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Are you really not even playing the Manchester or Stockport evening leagues?!!? Genuinely good quality competitions both of them and obviously much easier to get to than anything else.
(Central Manchester a desert in chess club terms so Chorlton or Stockport would be the closest clubs.).

Reliability is obviously the other attribute which teams tend to prize, often above pure strength actually. 

Think of North/Midlands/South in terms of population centers and it actually all makes a lot of sense Smiley Only really 3 truly major concentrations of population in England and Manchester is in the Northern one of them. Leeds is slightly North but not really very much.
(Newcastle closest to upsetting this picture I guess.).
  
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Reply #16 - 04/29/12 at 21:03:56
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JonathanB wrote on 04/29/12 at 17:31:37:
Bibs wrote on 04/29/12 at 12:28:42:

To Southerners above Luton is 'north'.



Frankly, I consider anything north of the Thames as 'North'.


Oh and re: the busy university students thing ... however busy you think you are now it's nothing compared to a real job.

Anyhoo, 4NCL and busy people don't seem to mix.  At best you get 2 games in a weekend.  Doesn't stack up well compared to a traditional tournament in that regard.  If you want to play for other reasons then that's, well, different.


Maybe, unless someone has to do a PhD, has two jobs, and a wife and children, and has to care for parents and grandparents. That is not me, but I am sure there are some who are in that situation.

And I thought basically around the Manchester area, specifically Stockport, would be one of the "southernmost" Northern towns, but maybe that is subjective. Smiley

I have never played team chess before, but I guess it sounds similar to physical sport teams where a captain fields the best team.
  

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Reply #15 - 04/29/12 at 20:24:26
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JonathanB wrote on 04/29/12 at 17:31:37:





Oh and re: the busy university students thing ... however busy you think you are now it's nothing compared to a real job.



Which jobs are the real ones and which ones are the pseudo-jobs?
  
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Reply #14 - 04/29/12 at 19:39:35
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JonathanB wrote on 04/29/12 at 17:31:37:
Frankly, I consider anything north of the Thames as 'North'.

Anything south of the Tweed is "South Britain".
  
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Reply #13 - 04/29/12 at 17:35:27
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JonathanB wrote on 04/29/12 at 17:31:37:
Bibs wrote on 04/29/12 at 12:28:42:

To Southerners above Luton is 'north'.



Frankly, I consider anything north of the Thames as 'North'.


Oh and re: the busy university students thing ... however busy you think you are now it's nothing compared to a real job.


Make that a real job, wife, kids and house.   Grin
  
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Re: Playing 4NCL for Busy Players
Reply #12 - 04/29/12 at 17:31:37
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Bibs wrote on 04/29/12 at 12:28:42:

To Southerners above Luton is 'north'.



Frankly, I consider anything north of the Thames as 'North'.


Oh and re: the busy university students thing ... however busy you think you are now it's nothing compared to a real job.

Anyhoo, 4NCL and busy people don't seem to mix.  At best you get 2 games in a weekend.  Doesn't stack up well compared to a traditional tournament in that regard.  If you want to play for other reasons then that's, well, different.
  

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Reply #11 - 04/29/12 at 12:28:42
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 04/29/12 at 10:36:55:
Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 04/27/12 at 19:18:17:
Leicester is considered up north? Smiley

Even when I lived in England I considered everything the other side of London 'up north', but now that I live in the south of France, it is everything above Paris! Smiley


To explain to non-English:

To Northerners below Manchester is 'south'.
To Southerners above Luton is 'north'.

Which leaves a big no man's land in the middle. 
Where listless soldiers play perpetual games of Christmas football.
  
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Reply #10 - 04/29/12 at 10:36:55
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Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 04/27/12 at 19:18:17:
Leicester is considered up north? Smiley

Even when I lived in England I considered everything the other side of London 'up north', but now that I live in the south of France, it is everything above Paris! Smiley
  
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Reply #9 - 04/28/12 at 10:26:00
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About equally inconvenient for North/South actually as its roughly where county matches between the two end up Smiley

Leicester not too awful by train from Manchester although would obviously need a lift from there.

As noted I always expected the Northern league to suffer rather from a lack of Yorkshire players. A little bit surprised that there's been so little interest from Manchester and the NW in general though.
  
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Re: Playing 4NCL for Busy Players
Reply #8 - 04/28/12 at 10:08:37
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Hinckley is in the Midlands, so north of London and Bristol, but south of Manchester and Leeds.

As regards how teams select players, all teams are different. If a team isn't in line for promotion or relegation, captains and managers may take the view that players have agreed to join their squad in order to play in the 4NCL weekends. In the event of excess supply of players, they might rotate the squad.

Apart from that, it's like any other form of team chess. The manager or captain selects the team most likely to do well, subject to constraints of availability and transport.

There is a separate Northern League which merges with the main third division halfway through the season. This lacks support with only eight six board teams in its first season and six, in this, the second.

As to how much time it takes up, that's transport dependent. The Saturday round starts at 2pm, so you have to leave in enough time to get there. The Sunday round starts at 11am and the game potentially lasts 7 hours. So the latest finish is 6 pm.
  
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Reply #7 - 04/27/12 at 19:18:17
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Leicester is considered up north? Smiley
  

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Re: Playing 4NCL for Busy Players
Reply #6 - 04/27/12 at 10:52:42
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MartinC wrote on 04/26/12 at 08:47:13:
It is down south though

I think there was only one weekend in Sunningdale this season, all the other weekends were 'up north' mostly in Hinckley Island, near Leicester.
Most players stay in the hotel the Saturday night which will cost you about Ł50. Play starts at 11 on the Sunday which means you should be able to get away fairly early.
  
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Reply #5 - 04/26/12 at 23:26:38
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Might be more productive to ask this question at the ecforum
http://www.ecforum.org.uk/

No big mysteries. Just team chess. 
Northerners should welcome any opportunity to leave, even if just for a short time.
  
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