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Re: English Attack/Sozin Hybrid System against Najdorf
Reply #8 - 05/03/12 at 15:39:24
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No, not a forced win, but I think its probably more like =/+ than =.   

I never said that you had written that Geller's set up was Black's only option.  You were giving White options, I gave another Black option.  Thought you and Gilchrist -- who asked about Black set-ups initially -- might be interested in seeing what Ftacnik had to say on this line in GM6.
  
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Re: English Attack/Sozin Hybrid System against Najdorf
Reply #7 - 05/02/12 at 02:20:23
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LeeRoth wrote on 05/02/12 at 01:53:43:
15.0-0-0 Qa5 and then what?  After either 16.f4, 16.h4 or 16.Ng3 Black has 16..d5 17.Bd3 Nd6.  If White tries 17.exd5 then 17..Nd6 18.Bd3 exd5.  Black also has Na6-c5 ideas.

Is this a forced win for Black or something?

And where exactly did I write that this is Black's only option? I can give you a handful.
10...Nc5 (iso 10...b4) 11.O-O-O Be7 12.g4 Nfd7/Qc7/Rc8.
Or 8...Be7 9.Be3 O-O 10.Qd2 Bd7 and 11...Nc6.
Or lines with ...Qc7.
In all of them Black is OK.

If that ....b4 and ...d5 idea is strong White should play 10.g4 first. And no, specific disclaimer, that doesn't promise anything more than just a playable game either.
So nobody should be surprised that an unrated player gets creamed by a GM.
  

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Re: English Attack/Sozin Hybrid System against Najdorf
Reply #6 - 05/02/12 at 01:53:43
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MNb wrote on 05/01/12 at 14:41:48:
White has a few other options: 15.Ng3 is not good, White should have played 15.O-O-O.
Rybka wants White to play 14.O-O.
12.Na4 does not lose a piece after Qa5 13.a3.
White could try 10.g4 first.
Of course Black should be OK in all cases.


15.0-0-0 Qa5 and then what?  After either 16.f4, 16.h4 or 16.Ng3 Black has 16..d5 17.Bd3 Nd6.  If White tries 17.exd5 then 17..Nd6 18.Bd3 exd5.  Black also has Na6-c5 ideas.  

But this is not Black's only option either.  In GM6, Ftacnik gives:



 
The parenthetical line is Ftacnik's suggested improvement on the game.  After ..g6, he says that Black has better chances and that the Bishop will be strong.
  
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Re: English Attack/Sozin Hybrid System against Najdorf
Reply #5 - 05/01/12 at 14:41:48
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White has a few other options: 15.Ng3 is not good, White should have played 15.O-O-O.
Rybka wants White to play 14.O-O.
12.Na4 does not lose a piece after Qa5 13.a3.
White could try 10.g4 first.
Of course Black should be OK in all cases.
  

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Re: English Attack/Sozin Hybrid System against Najdorf
Reply #4 - 05/01/12 at 03:33:55
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Here's a game that shows a possible set-up for Black:



  
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Re: English Attack/Sozin Hybrid System against Najdorf
Reply #3 - 04/29/12 at 23:03:32
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Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 04/29/12 at 19:01:51:
What is this system when White plays some sort of mixed setup with a Bc4 and Be3 against the Najdorf?

Perhaps your opponents read this forum, because I advocated it a few times. It's no great shakes, but it is an easy to learn system that's not entirely without venom. Black for instance should better avoid 5...a6 6.Bc4 e6 7.Bb3 b5 8.f3 Be7 9.Be3 Nbd7/Bb7 10.Bxe6!
In the pure English Attack Black quite often relies on the central counterstroke ...d6-d5. With playing Bf1-c4-b3 White wants to hinder or prevent that. If Black plays too slow he/she can get trampled underfoot, see eg Langer-Balcerak, Bonn 1995. In this game White manages to make use of Bb3 as early as move 15.
You probably will find more inspiration in Chakurira-Fickadu, Abuja 2003. There are some move order issues though; White might play 10.g4 and 11.g5 first.
Similar is Soares-Andrade, Rio de Janeiro 2000. Again White must play an early g2-g4-g5 to stay in the game. The game score in my database looks wrong btw.
I'd say that this system is useful for those who begin with the Open Sicilian (White can use it in the pure Sozin, against the Scheveningen and against the Najdorf); above ELO 1800 any prepared player should get a reasonable til good game against it.
Not that the plans mentioned by you should lose by force.

5...a6 6.Bc4 e6 7.Bb3 b5 8.Be3 Bb7 9.f3 Nbd7 10.Qd2 (10.g4 first to meet ...Nb6 with Qe2) Ne5 (Rybka wants to meet Nb6 with 11.O-O-O Nfd7 12.Bxe6, but I guess Black has other move orders) 11.g4 Rc8 12.h4 Nc4 13.Bxc4 Rxc4 14.O-O-O b4 15.Na4 d5 16.g5 is a sample line.
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Re: English Attack/Sozin Hybrid System against Najdorf
Reply #2 - 04/29/12 at 21:41:43
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What is the best setup for black against this line? In my games I usually played ...Ne5/Rc8/Nc4/Be7/0-0 and attempt ...d5 later, but I guess ...Nb6/Nfd7/Ne5 is also another setup?
  

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Re: English Attack/Sozin Hybrid System against Najdorf
Reply #1 - 04/29/12 at 19:10:44
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Indeed.*  As Golubev put it, "it is not surprising, for instance, that White's plan connected with f3, g4 and g5, which is not bad in other varieties of the Sicilian, is usually too slow and unsuccesful here as it fails to generate a rapid threat to e6 and makes no use of the b3-bishop."

*though there are the quite important Qf3 lines, in which f3 is sometimes played later
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English Attack/Sozin Hybrid System against Najdorf
04/29/12 at 19:01:51
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What is this system when White plays some sort of mixed setup with a Bc4 and Be3 against the Najdorf? I have had a few opponents play this against me regularly in the past, but I never remember learning about it.



I do not know what the idea of White's setup is, because I thought the bishop is better placed on the a6-f1 diagonal in the English Attack. Or if White wants to play the Sozin, f4 instead of f3 should be the proper setup.
  

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