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Poll closed Question: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand Title Match?
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Anand by 2 or more    
  36 (37.1%)
Gelfand by 2 or more    
  1 (1.0%)
Anand by 1    
  41 (42.3%)
Gelfand by 1    
  9 (9.3%)
Anand in a Tie-break    
  4 (4.1%)
Gelfand in a Tie-break    
  5 (5.2%)
The match will be cancelled.    
  1 (1.0%)




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Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship?
Reply #128 - 05/18/12 at 12:33:52
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Well Anand still has to draw this, despite everyone saying its a draw its much easier to play for White  - I like Gelfands h4, maybe he can probe with h5 later.

22...Qc6 looks like an accurate move from Anand though. I didn't think much of Chessdoms suggested move 22...Rfe8.
  
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Reply #127 - 05/18/12 at 12:23:02
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"So Garry, what do you think of the match so far, what are we seeing here?"

"We are not seeing very much..."  lol.

Laramonet, I think it would be fair to say it is not the computers but rather the lack of ambition of the players that is holding back the games.  And the length of the match is definitely a big factor as well.
  
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Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship?
Reply #126 - 05/18/12 at 12:05:38
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So far this match has been the best advert for how desperately chess needs to get back to 24 game world title matches I can imagine. There has to be a way to fund it to save us from this. It backs Steve Giddins view that computers are killing the game. What do we have to do to get an assymetrical pawn structure that stays that way past move 25 ?
  
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Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship?
Reply #125 - 05/18/12 at 11:51:11
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Anyone watching today. I just checked the position and at first glance it looks like another draw but looking more closely Gelfand has some pressure and Tony Miles used to win positions like this all the time. That said its Anand playing Black, so he should defend precisely and draw.
  
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Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship?
Reply #124 - 05/18/12 at 08:11:05
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ANDREW BRETT wrote on 05/18/12 at 07:58:43:
Gelfand's prep is excellent- but has he got something stronger v semi slav. 


Its a fair point. He can keep trying to crack it or else come from another angle with 1.Nf3 or 1.c4 but I suspect he'll stick with 1.d4
  
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Reply #123 - 05/18/12 at 08:06:29
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Which one of you said the match would be cancelled? LOL
  

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Reply #122 - 05/18/12 at 07:58:43
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Gelfand's prep is excellent- but has he got something stronger v semi slav. Vishy hasn't shown anything significant yet but I suspect he'll have another 1e4
  
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Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship?
Reply #121 - 05/18/12 at 07:47:46
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Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 05/17/12 at 22:03:25:
Even when others (spectators or other players in the tournament) come and stand closeby and watch my games and the boards around me in tournaments I become nervous. The action of others watching makes me want to take even less risk that I usually would take. I would rather draw than enter a crazy position and lose quickly in front of 20 people.


For me it's the exact opposite! People watching me makes me want to play some bravado moves (& you guess the results!  Wink )

@SF - re your point why Anand avoided a 3rd Grunfeld in a row: I think Anand may be thinking that the match may as well be decided in the rapids and wants to know more about Gelfand's prep. Could be also that he wants to uncork a Grunfeld novelty in the rapids, so to magnify its effect.


The match may be uninteresting so far because it's way too short. Same happened with the qualification tournament (4 classical games per round). One is inclined to play it super-safe. So imo it's either longer matches if we hope to see sth new in terms of chess (i.e. chess evolution) or tournaments a la San Luis if we want spectacle.
  

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Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship?
Reply #120 - 05/18/12 at 07:06:54
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Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 05/18/12 at 02:17:28:
But what happens if one player plays an aggressive opening (e.g. Botvinnik Semi-Slav) twice in a row, achieves an interesting but very unclear and unsafe position, and loses twice to be 2-0 in the series? It would be exciting for the spectators, but very damaging to that player in terms of the tournament.


This is a bigger problem the shorter the match is. In contrast, there will always be another US championship. Hence, no wonder Nakamura and Kamsky will likely produce more entertaining games against opposition in another class than Anand and Gelfand than the match Anand vs Gelfand does.
  
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Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship?
Reply #119 - 05/18/12 at 06:47:29
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Interesting...I didn't see what Pein/Edouard had said. I shall have to look at this...is that on a  TWIC article? 

I wonder what this says about Gelfand's approach.
  

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Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship?
Reply #118 - 05/18/12 at 06:08:11
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ghenghisclown wrote on 05/18/12 at 05:45:40:




Really? So, Gelfand had chances that he didn't exploit? It seems to me more Anand's strategy to keep things "safe" by either initiating exchanges or allowing them...any specific points where Gelfand could have pressed?


Gelfand could play more ambitiously in the lines he's chosen so far.

After game 2, Anand said,  "White did have a slight edge initially but in the end there were many defensive structures for Black.” This suggests that white could have played more accurately, or at least more ambitiously than he did. 

IM Pein seemed to suggest that 10.e4 would offer better winning chances. 

In game 4, GM Romain Edouard suggested that 19.Nf3 is more complex and offers white more chances than what was played. 

So yes, there are definitely places where White had a small advantage but elected not to push too hard.

Again, Anand has had the better of the openings so far. I never said Gelfand was winning at any point. I said his advantage was "microscopic", but that he also elected not to push even his small advantages.
  
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Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship?
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 05/18/12 at 02:07:54:
Gelfand has been content in the first two games as white to strive for a microscopic advantage, but not push even there.   



Really? So, Gelfand had chances that he didn't exploit? It seems to me more Anand's strategy to keep things "safe" by either initiating exchanges or allowing them...any specific points where Gelfand could have pressed?
  

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Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship?
Reply #116 - 05/18/12 at 03:17:47
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Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 05/18/12 at 01:33:14:
US Championship more interesting than the World Championship? I am not sure most non-Americans would agree, or know even that the US Championship is in progress...


It is just my opinion. I have learned a lot more about chess by watching Kamsky and Nakamura pick apart their opponents round after round than by flicking through the Anand-Gelfand games.
  
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Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship?
Reply #115 - 05/18/12 at 02:17:28
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But what happens if one player plays an aggressive opening (e.g. Botvinnik Semi-Slav) twice in a row, achieves an interesting but very unclear and unsafe position, and loses twice to be 2-0 in the series? It would be exciting for the spectators, but very damaging to that player in terms of the tournament. 

I have lost embarrassingly in unclear positions when 20 people are standing and watching my game, I cannot imagine how it would feel if millions were watching Smiley
  

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Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship?
Reply #114 - 05/18/12 at 02:07:54
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I find interesting the arc of the match so far. Gelfand has been content in the first two games as white to strive for a microscopic advantage, but not push even there. 

Anand has played two Grunfelds and had the advantage in both, if only for a few moves. 

But today, after the second day off, he played 1.e4. Was it just to find out what Gelfand had prepared, or has Anand run into a brick wall in his Grunfeld preparations?   

Anand could reasonably expect an advantage in either the Grunfeld or the Sveshnikov, but in order to play for the win, he may have to play something offbeat. 

I still think Anand is the one who's trying to win in regulation more than Gelfand, but the match is tilting toward Gelfand.

Individual games may not be terribly exciting. But that's nothing new. Who remembers each game of the Kramnik-Leko match?  Or even every game of the Petrosian-Botvinnik match?
  
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