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Question: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand Title Match?


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Anand by 2 or more 36 (37.1%) Gelfand by 2 or more 1 (1.0%) Anand by 1 41 (42.3%) Gelfand by 1 9 (9.3%) Anand in a Tie-break 4 (4.1%) Gelfand in a Tie-break 5 (5.2%) The match will be cancelled. 1 (1.0%) Total votes: 97 « Last Modified by: Smyslov_Fan on: 05/08/12 at 15:52:16 »

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mangler Full Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 174 Location: Orlando Joined: 10/30/06 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #188 - 05/22/12 at 16:53:29	Post Tools	Print Post
	Dink Heckler wrote on 05/22/12 at 13:20:17: Struggling to recall a looser approach as Black in a WC match, but my memory is a tad ropy...any other good candidates? Korchnoi as black vs Karpov played the open spanish with an early g6 in their 1978 match, and also played a line of the spanish where his knight ended up on b7 in the 1981 match.


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Dink Heckler God Member Offline Love-Forty Posts: 900 Joined: 02/01/07 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #187 - 05/22/12 at 13:20:17	Post Tools	Print Post
	Ha! Too true...maybe people were so desperate for decisive games that they are now enthused by the kind of rubbish you'd be embarrassed to trundle out in blitz Struggling to recall a looser approach as Black in a WC match, but my memory is a tad ropy...any other good candidates?

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JonathanB Senior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 449 Location: London Joined: 11/17/07 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #186 - 05/22/12 at 12:59:21	Post Tools	Print Post
	bragesjo wrote on 05/22/12 at 07:31:33: About Zapata-Anand, Biel (B) 1988, 1-0 after 6 [sics] moves that game has a funny story. There was a game between Miles and Christianssen that had been prearrnaged to be a draw. Christianssen made that blunder move that costed the piece but Miles was a gentlemen and made a hand gestaculation over the e2 sqsuare and played an other move instead and the game quickly became a draw. Anand read that game in Chess Informant and thought he could repeat it since no ? mark was annotated there... I also heard that story - and have repeated it many times myself - but it turns out that it might not be true. http://www.ecforum.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4212&p=86441#p86441 As for this match, I find it rather odd that the general mood of the chess world when the match was even after six games was that the match was boring as well. Now, when it's even after eight games and Gelfand has just chucked his queen in, the match is considered to be "on fire".

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chk God Member Offline a pawn is a pawn Posts: 1063 Location: Athens Joined: 10/26/06 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #185 - 05/22/12 at 08:41:41	Post Tools	Print Post
	It's a battle of nerves now (unless a strong novelty vs. the Grunfeld proves to be the decider )

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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #184 - 05/22/12 at 08:08:00	Post Tools	Print Post
	I'm not really as gloomy as others seem to be about Gelfands chances after this game. Its a rest day today, which maybe they both could do with. So its basically down to 4 games with 2 whites each and the score level - before the match started he would probably have taken this situation, so if he's optimistic he'll eliminate what went before and knuckle down for a fight in the last 4 games. Anand fans - this is not over yet! Also in terms of the general pattern of the match he knows he has been doing fine and has outplayed Anand in a nice game with White.


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bragesjo God Member Offline CCE at ICCF 2021 and CCM at ICCF 2023 Posts: 1839 Location: Eskilstuna Joined: 06/30/06 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #183 - 05/22/12 at 07:31:33	Post Tools	Print Post
	About Zapata-Anand, Biel (B) 1988, 1-0 after 6 [sics] moves that game has a funny story. There was a game between Miles and Christianssen that had been prearrnaged to be a draw. Christianssen made that blunder move that costed the piece but Miles was a gentlemen and made a hand gestaculation over the e2 sqsuare and played an other move instead and the game quickly became a draw. Anand read that game in Chess Informant and thought he could repeat it since no ? mark was annotated there...


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Gilchrist is a legend God Member Offline Posts: 1039 Location: Manchester, UK Joined: 03/02/10	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #182 - 05/21/12 at 23:37:36	Post Tools	Print Post
	I think he should have played 3...d5 like last 3. f3 Grünfeld. But if he wants to surprise Anand, perhaps 3...e5 was better.

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IMJohnCox God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1551 Location: London Joined: 01/28/06 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #181 - 05/21/12 at 22:49:28	Post Tools	Print Post
	I don't know anything about it either, but in a video on the CB site on an eaarlier game Andrew Martin said this was the reason 3...c5 wasn't often played. I think it was a crazy decision by Gelfand to play this opening. Events proved he'd not adjusted psychologically to the prize being within his grasp, and I think it started with the opening. Very hard to see Gelfand coming back from that: he did it in the Candidates of course, but Anand isn't - er, whoever Bob blundered a piece against in the Candidates.


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Stigma God Member Offline There is a crack in everything. Posts: 3277 Joined: 11/07/06 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #180 - 05/21/12 at 22:14:21	Post Tools	Print Post
	Notice that it's not a straight Benoni transposition since White played Ng1-e2-c3 instead of Nb1-c3. I don't know what theory has to say about this, but it looks like a good way to juggle the pieces. Getting both Ns and the Bf1 to good squares is often a headache for White in Sämisch positions. The same idea is known from a Trompowsky move order: 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4 3.Bf4 c5 4.f3 Qa5+ 5.c3 Nf6 6.d5 Qb6 7.Bc1 d6 8.e4 g6 9.c4 Bg7 10.Ne2 0-0 11.Nec3 etc.
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Gilchrist is a legend God Member Offline Posts: 1039 Location: Manchester, UK Joined: 03/02/10	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #179 - 05/21/12 at 20:11:17	Post Tools	Print Post
	I also noticed the prize fund is quite similar. Chessbase says 60% winner, 40% loser, so both winner and loser still will win more than USD 1 million (which according to OANDA is €782.550 or £631.810)

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kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4989 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #178 - 05/21/12 at 18:05:30	Post Tools	Print Post
	Quote: wohoo, a benoni today ... at least it seems like it ... I know Gelfand plays sometimes the Benoni and the f3 pawn is a bit favourable for black ... still I played Benoni myself and I also disliked to face f3 ... I don't think you can play the Benoni in a wch match, I predict that Gelfand will have a hard time ... but still Anand himself did not play 1.d4 that match until he faced Topalov and not many played the Benoni against him ... having played against the Benoni myself I know how hard it is to play against it ... and even a classy player like aronian likes to play the anti-benoni against this opening, i.e. doesn't commit to d5 ... mixed feelings about this ... but maybe Gelfand is right, if he wins this game he probably has won the match, it's a nice try ... Incidentally the f3 Benoni was treated in a book some time ago by Gelfand and his trainer Kapengut (and in some articles by Kapengut). I don't know why it should be deemed unplayable in a world championship match; unlike some lines of the Benoni, I don't think I've ever even seen it claimed to be +=. (Leaving aside a comment I think James Rizzitano once made: "All lines of the Benoni are better for White. I know, because I play them for Black.")


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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #177 - 05/21/12 at 18:00:24	Post Tools	Print Post
	How embarrassing. You're right, PN! Here's the game: Download game in pgn format


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PatzerNoster Full Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 152 Joined: 10/22/09	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #176 - 05/21/12 at 17:07:39	Post Tools	Print Post
	As a fierce dragon player I must remark that Anand beat Kasparov's Najdorf/Scheveningen... The dragon went +2 =2 from the black side!


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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #175 - 05/21/12 at 16:39:47	Post Tools	Print Post
	Alias, you're right. Anand had white when he defeated Kasparov's Dragon in the WC match. He then proceeded to lose four of the next five games.


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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #174 - 05/21/12 at 15:26:53	Post Tools	Print Post
	Strange game indeed, there must have been some psychological impact of the win yesterday, it seems like Gelfand just was too relaxed and playing way too ambitiously in this game with Black instead of doing simple things like developing the pieces. Glad I didn't put the money on Gelfand now Still both players have 2 White games left now so lets see. Can Gelfand recover from this shocker? Its a real gift he gave Anand today.


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