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Question: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand Title Match?


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Anand by 2 or more 36 (37.1%) Gelfand by 2 or more 1 (1.0%) Anand by 1 41 (42.3%) Gelfand by 1 9 (9.3%) Anand in a Tie-break 4 (4.1%) Gelfand in a Tie-break 5 (5.2%) The match will be cancelled. 1 (1.0%) Total votes: 97 « Last Modified by: Smyslov_Fan on: 05/08/12 at 15:52:16 »

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Antillian God Member Offline Brilliance without dazzle! Posts: 1757 Joined: 01/05/03 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #308 - 05/28/12 at 16:31:12	Post Tools	Print Post
	akita wrote on 05/28/12 at 16:22:35: I am afraid that should Gelfand win the rapid/blitz play off who will recognise him as a true champion? Perhaps we should just dump the World Champion tag and just have a number one playr based on the rating list. Magnus Carlsen is the no 1. Perhaps he should simply play a match with Levon Aronian. Surely it would not be so tedious as this one! Akita You are contradicting yourself. First, you opine that we should have no official champion. Then you opine that the world #1 and #2 should play for the title. The system isn't perfect, but it is the system until a different one is put in place. And whoever wins will be the official world champion.

	"Breakthrough results come about by a series of good decisions, diligently executed and accumulated one on top of another." Jim Collins --- Good to Great
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akita Junior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 93 Joined: 03/06/06	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #307 - 05/28/12 at 16:22:35	Post Tools	Print Post
	Hi All How can a Classical World Championship be decided by Rapid play or Blitz? Has Chess really descended to the ranks of football where a penalty shoot-out decides the winner! No there is something wrong with the fabric of this match. The onus must be put on the challenger to defeat the incumbant champion in order to dethrone him. I am afraid that should Gelfand win the rapid/blitz play off who will recognise him as a true champion? Perhaps we should just dump the World Champion tag and just have a number one playr based on the rating list. Magnus Carlsen is the no 1. Perhaps he should simply play a match with Levon Aronian. Surely it would not be so tedious as this one! Akita


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Vandros Junior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 71 Joined: 07/18/09	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #306 - 05/28/12 at 16:21:53	Post Tools	Print Post
	Quote: Rapid and blitz and even the Armageddon games are still chess. Penalty shoot outs aren't really football in the same sense. Chess is fortunate to have these forms of tie-breaks available. Yes, I think they are good as tie-breaks.... (An idea) Maybe in future, they shouldn't increase the number of classic games, but should include the rapid and blitz in the normal flow. Let's say 2 classic games, then 1 day with rapid and blitz (that would count as tiebreakers in case the result in the classic would be equal), then again 2 classic games, followed once again by a day with rapid and blitz. Additionally, that would make the "last" game in the classic match an all-in like that unfortunately armageddon blitz....however without the possible sour byeffect that one of the players lose on time....
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TalJechin God Member Offline There is no secret ingredient. Posts: 2892 Location: Malmö Joined: 08/12/04 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #305 - 05/28/12 at 15:56:11	Post Tools	Print Post
	That argument seems to come up almost every WC-match... Maybe Fide should just scrap the whole qualification and just set one date, and the 1 & 2 of the Elolist at that point will then have qualified for the WC-match.


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gewgaw God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing.com! Posts: 687 Location: europe Joined: 09/09/04	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #304 - 05/28/12 at 15:54:51	Post Tools	Print Post
	Many short draws, so a coin flip would suit to this match perfectly.

	The older, the better - over 2200 and still rising.
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Zwischenzugzwang Senior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing & chess pubs! Posts: 380 Location: Zotzenbach Joined: 06/14/11 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #303 - 05/28/12 at 15:48:04	Post Tools	Print Post
	Smyslov_Fan wrote on 05/28/12 at 15:26:53: Z-zugzwang wrote: Quote: What a disappointment! Whoever wins on Wednesday, will hardly be recognized as a "real" World Champion, imo. By whom, Z-zug? The two players are the only two who have legitimately run the gauntlet of candidates and World championship matches. I will consider the winner of the match to be legitimate. ... I don't disagree with that. What I mean is that the winner will not be considered as the World Champion in a way Kasparov or Kramnik were considered (and much of that time, there were sort of two WCs!), but rather as an "interim" champion, with everybody waiting for the next "real" champion. Addendum: Maybe that was partly true already before the match due to the players' age, but the sort of games played will reinforce that feeling.

	What do people mean when they say "Chess is the pawn of the soul"?
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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #302 - 05/28/12 at 15:26:53	Post Tools	Print Post
	Z-zugzwang wrote: Quote: What a disappointment! Whoever wins on Wednesday, will hardly be recognized as a "real" World Champion, imo. By whom, Z-zug? The two players are the only two who have legitimately run the gauntlet of candidates and World championship matches. I will consider the winner of the match to be legitimate. I will also look forward to the next cycle. But that hasn't changed since 1972 for me. _____ Rapid and blitz and even the Armageddon games are still chess. Penalty shoot outs aren't really football in the same sense. Chess is fortunate to have these forms of tie-breaks available. They are NOT perfect, but they are vastly preferable to a coin-toss or a spin of a roulette wheel.


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Alias God Member Offline Posts: 1512 Location: East of the river Svartån Joined: 11/19/04	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #301 - 05/28/12 at 15:07:32	Post Tools	Print Post
	Is rapid and blitz really worse than extra time and penalties in football?

	Don't check me with no lightweight stuff.
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Seth_Xoma God Member Offline FM with 2 IM Norms - (2381) Posts: 558 Location: Lansing Joined: 11/05/04 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #300 - 05/28/12 at 14:47:39	Post Tools	Print Post
	The World Championship is over and now we get to watch the Rapid and Blitz World Championship matches.


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Zwischenzugzwang Senior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing & chess pubs! Posts: 380 Location: Zotzenbach Joined: 06/14/11 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #299 - 05/28/12 at 14:34:16	Post Tools	Print Post
	What a disappointment! Whoever wins on Wednesday, will hardly be recognized as a "real" World Champion, imo.

	What do people mean when they say "Chess is the pawn of the soul"?
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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #298 - 05/28/12 at 13:57:41	Post Tools	Print Post
	Kramnik just sitting there saying the first thing that comes into his head though. Its a drawn position and there are also some chances for White to go wrong so draw is fair enough I think. Gelfand responded very well to the challenge today.


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akita Junior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 93 Joined: 03/06/06	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #297 - 05/28/12 at 13:52:49	Post Tools	Print Post
	Hi All Kramnik astonished that Anand offered Gelfand a draw without making him work for it! I am sorry but does this not sum up the whole match. I am now starting to route for Gelfand. What would Gary Kasparov have to say about ths I wonder? Akita


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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #296 - 05/28/12 at 13:51:04	Post Tools	Print Post
	And the draw was agreed after 21 moves.


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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #295 - 05/28/12 at 13:11:00	Post Tools	Print Post
	chk wrote on 05/28/12 at 12:59:38: Nice positional pawn sac and even more nice was the way Gelfand chose to defend! Indeed. Kramnik says he'd prefer to be Black now!


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TalJechin God Member Offline There is no secret ingredient. Posts: 2892 Location: Malmö Joined: 08/12/04 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #294 - 05/28/12 at 13:07:49	Post Tools	Print Post
	[quote author=416B7E6B6673797E0A0 link=1336440203/288#288 date=1338203812]Mr Kramnik giving his seal of approval for the pre-match tie-break idea![/quote] Yes! And also the "no draw offers" idea, as long as you can draw by repeating moves. So, it seems that Kramnik is a regular visitor at the forum :) - or have these two ideas been discussed elsewhere on the net?


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