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Re: Geriatric Opening Cognitive Dissonance
Reply #16 - 05/18/12 at 08:53:51
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Thanks for the suggestion MNb. But, I have to desire to make such radical changes to my repertoire.
  

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Re: Geriatric Opening Cognitive Dissonance
Reply #15 - 05/17/12 at 14:43:51
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Here is an advise you are probably not going to accept, but possibly will give a think:

Antillian wrote on 05/16/12 at 13:55:45:
I am trying to decide on an opening repertoire approach based on either strategically rich less theoretical openings or solid positional, but simpler openings, both of which I enjoy and have had good results - particularly with the White pieces.


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But one thing I am learning more and more is how much chess there is in deceptively simple positions.


This sounds very much like GM Tiviakov to me. And he plays 1.e4 all the time.

Open Games: Giuoco Piannissimo, evt. via 2.Bc4.

Sicilian: 2.c3 or the Closed via 2.Nc3 (or even 2.d3 if you like to play the KID the old fashioned way with colours reversed)

French: Tarrasch
Two Knights via 2.Nc3, followed by castling Kingside.
If 1.e4 e6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Nf3 d4 doesn't appeal, 3.Nc3
a) 3...Bb4 4.e5 and 7.a4 (but never Qg4).
b) 3...Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.Nf3 again.

Caro-Kann: 3.Nd2; against the Capablanca no h2-h4-h5, but 7.Bd3 immediately followed by c4 and a Queenside Fianchetto; against 3...Nd7 4.Nf3 Ngf6 also 5.Ng3, castling Kingside, c4 and a Queenside Fianchetto.

Alekhine: Exchange Variation

Pirc/Robatsch: Classical
If you think this too much theory and want more punch 4.Be3 Bg7 (c6 5.h3 Bg7 6.Nf3 or 6.a4 first, hoping to play Bc4 in one move) 5.Qd2 c6 (O-O 6.O-O-O is sharp, but not difficult to learn) 6.Be2 usually castling Kingside.
  

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Re: Geriatric Opening Cognitive Dissonance
Reply #14 - 05/17/12 at 12:09:54
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The feedback and comments have been terrific. Thanks everyone. Reviewing the comments, plus looking at my tournament results has helped me to clarify my decision. 

Reviewing my games, I have an overwhelming record with White using both Approach A and Approach B - and this is with a fairly superficial knowledge of theory. In my last four OTB tournaments, I have only lost once with the white pieces and conceded but two draws - with a performance rating of about 2300. 

On the other hand, my record with the black pieces is dismal -regardless of Approach A or Approach B. While it is not all opening related, I have found myself in difficulties in the opening often with Black and either losing or struggle to save the game. 

So following the old adage - if it ain't broken, don't fix it, I have decided to keep both white repertoires. With Black, however I going to keep things simple and just focus on Caro-Kann and either the Slav or the NID/QGD and do some more work here.
  

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Re: Geriatric Opening Cognitive Dissonance
Reply #13 - 05/17/12 at 05:09:33
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 05/16/12 at 21:49:39:
Play stuff that interests you!

Right - Nothing else matters.
  
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Reply #12 - 05/17/12 at 00:47:24
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It depends on the person of course; my old coach used to play the Najdorf but decades later switched to the French (Winawer) and 1. c4/1. Nf3. 1. c4 is probably a good choice. But it seems like Option A  more suits the Caro-Kann than the Kan.
  

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Re: Geriatric Opening Cognitive Dissonance
Reply #11 - 05/17/12 at 00:03:41
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I'm of similar mind to Smyslov_Fan.  Generally you want to start with what you like and are comfortable with regardless of your age.  While converting to a Marin English repertoire for White may have a logical basis in terms of the type of positions that result, if you've spent 40 years playing something else you had better be sure you are willing to really invest the time (and take some lumps) while you convert.  If that interests you as an older player - go for it!

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Re: Geriatric Opening Cognitive Dissonance
Reply #10 - 05/16/12 at 21:49:39
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If we're talking about truly geriatric chess players, the two biggest considerations are: memory and stamina.

Geriatrics can still win great combinational games, but they may forget part of their preparation. So keep it familiar. Don't go playing some line that is supposed to be less taxing if you're not familiar with it.

Also, play lines that either will produce a lot of fireworks early so you will have a decisive result one way or another, or lines that don't require a lot of heavy lifting at all. 

Korchnoi generally played sharp stuff even in his 80s, but Smyslov generally played slightly quieter lines. As Black against 1.e4, Smyslov rarely played the Sicilian. He headed for French, Caro-Kann and 1.e4 e5 lines most. But he even played 1...d6 occasionally. The hallmark of most of these games in his later years was that they tended to be "quiet" lines.

Taimanov, another excellent geriatric player, tended to play lines that he was familiar with, and didn't really seem to do much heavy lifting at all in most of his games. Late in his career, he played the Sicilian Taimanov with little twists as his main defense against 1.e4.  Taimanov's games late in his career were marked by a seeming inevitability. He just seemed to ease into his wins.

Probably the favorite openings as white among geriatric GMs is the English.

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Re: Geriatric Opening Cognitive Dissonance
Reply #9 - 05/16/12 at 19:25:54
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As a Kan player from when I was approximately 1500 to 2100, I am not sure Kan is "strategically complex" because in many cases the positions are quite sharp Smiley, especially the lines with ...Bc5/Be7. The Maroczy Bind, Be2 lines, etc. are slightly positional I suppose, but the Kan feels more "positional" compared with the Najdorf, if that is what you mean. But now I usually play the Kan if I am underprepared to play the Najdorf against a high rated/titled opponent.

I play a mix of A and B: Kan, Catalan, Fianchetto Variation 1. d4, but also Caro-Kann and Slav.
  

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Re: Geriatric Opening Cognitive Dissonance
Reply #8 - 05/16/12 at 19:18:42
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I basically play the B repertoire. Caro Kann and Slav as Black and Avrukh's GM rep as White(with a couple modifications). As a 2100 player, I have never felt that I wasn't getting enough winning chances because of the opening. In fact, I've won every Exchange Slav that I've played!
  
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Reply #7 - 05/16/12 at 15:08:51
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Antillian wrote on 05/16/12 at 14:44:33:
TN wrote on 05/16/12 at 14:35:36:
I'd suggest B, but is there any reason why you can't adopt both approaches?


The biggest constraint is time. But I have thought of doing both. To do that I would focus on Approach B for now and then maybe later incorporate some of Approach A. 

What are your reasons for suggesting B?


It's hard to say but B seems easier to learn and understand. Also it's helpful if all the lines you need to learn for your White repertoire are in one book. Actually there are two options you haven't considered: White A; Black B and White B; Black A. I'd be tempted to suggest Approach B for White and Approach A for Black.
  

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Re: Geriatric Opening Cognitive Dissonance
Reply #6 - 05/16/12 at 14:58:41
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Laramonet wrote on 05/16/12 at 14:41:04:
   One obvious question: what do you play at the moment ?


In my last three tournaments, I have used both repertoires. So I am equally familiar with both, but superficially so in a lot of cases, especially with Black - is just a matter of deciding which ones to more dig deeply into. I think Approach A will require more opening study to get up to speed. Approach B will require more endgame study. 
  

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TN wrote on 05/16/12 at 14:35:36:
I'd suggest B, but is there any reason why you can't adopt both approaches?


The biggest constraint is time. But I have thought of doing both. To do that I would focus on Approach B for now and then maybe later incorporate some of Approach A. 

What are your reasons for suggesting B?
  

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Reply #4 - 05/16/12 at 14:44:24
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fling wrote on 05/16/12 at 14:23:52:

But, the more simple (less complex) system you play, the higher the chances are you won't be able to have enough room to outplay weaker players and at the same time have "real" opportunities to defeat stronger players.


Yes, that is one trade-off. But one thing I am learning more and more is how much chess there is in deceptively simple positions. It would force me to spend a lot more time on endgame study - which is not a bad thing. But point taken, nonetheless
  

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Re: Geriatric Opening Cognitive Dissonance
Reply #3 - 05/16/12 at 14:41:04
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   One obvious question: what do you play at the moment ? I'm sure, if possible, it must be a good idea to change one part of your repertoire at a time i.e. answer to d4, answer to e4 or white choice.
    I'm rated 1950-ish and I've played the Caro Kann for 4 or 5 years. It feels right for me but even after that time, I'm not settled in all variations. This may be down to lack of exposure e.g. no-one seems to play the main lines of the Panov. It does make sense with your comment about pawn structures. Incredibly, the exchange has probably caused me more problems that any other. Less theoretical and in preparation the Nc6, Qc7 lines are fine, however the minority attack takes some getting used to. White can also attack on the Queenside with b4 and a4 or use c4 to change things.
         Complementing it with the QGD makes sense. This is the latest change I've made. I've played a couple of Tartakower games with reasonable success but will try out the Cambridge Springs; sound, sometimes enterprising but solidity first. I'll also play into the main line Exchange lines when someone finally plays it against me !
         Regarding White I'm staying with e4. I did have a period with the KIA which gave good results at first but I then felt stale. However, in common with your post I've thought of the "Marin" English or d4 following Watson. Anyway, those ideas are for the future. Don't change too much at once is good advice I would say.
    I would agree with your desire to get away from too much preparation. Developing feel for your chosen opening and being able to concentrate on the resulting middle and endgames, are worthy goals in my opinion.
    Good luck !
  
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Reply #2 - 05/16/12 at 14:35:36
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I'd suggest B, but is there any reason why you can't adopt both approaches?
  

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