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Reply #26 - 06/10/12 at 18:33:26
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Excellent article about Anand's trap in game 8 of WCC , and computers :

http://latitude.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/05/the-case-for-computers-at-top-chess...
  
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Reply #25 - 06/10/12 at 11:04:44
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"As a child, Anand was very normal. I introduced him to chess. When the family would play, he’d come and join us. He used to play other sports as well—tennis, table tennis, badminton etc—but he developed a flair and interest in chess.
He never had a coach or anything; he learnt the game really on his own, practising vigorously and reading books etc. That’s the other thing about him. His focus and concentration level in almost anything he does is great. If he read a book, whatever the book may be, he had the ability to completely absorb and immerse himself in it. Nobody and nothing could distract him. He was good at academics as well. He managed to do both, quite effortlessly. If he can do it, I’m sure so can others. He is also a very calm person. I don’t think you need aggression to play chess. What you need is a good memory, positive attitude and the ability to plan your moves ahead. I used to play chess with him when he was young—I’d show him a few games and he, in turn, would show me some; now I just watch his moves. I don’t think there’s really a set formula for success and yet there are some ingredients like hard work, focus, determination etc that go into the making of a champion. I think the one thing about Anand is, even when he was young, he was very respectful of elders and very humble."(susheela ,Vishy's mother).(www.outlookindia.com)


How can someone become World Champion without any coach ?! STRANGE . What do you think guys ??
  
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Reply #24 - 06/09/12 at 16:34:04
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Anand can lose his temper during the game ;

http://chess-news.ru/en/node/7587
  
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Reply #21 - 06/08/12 at 08:18:13
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Willempie wrote on 06/08/12 at 07:22:58:
TalJechin wrote on 06/07/12 at 22:34:46:

Chess is often claimed to be a sport, art and science - but it's not really considered to be any of those... It's a game - one of the most challenging games invented, but still just a game.

Sports is also just a game. In principle there isnt any difference between the EC final, dodgeball in kindergarten and a game of chess. Outside assistence at all these games is not considered fair: A bribed ref, having kids from a class higher in the team or using computers


Well, sports vs games are like religions vs cults, basically the same but games and cults are lacking political power.  Smiley
  
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Reply #20 - 06/08/12 at 07:22:58
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TalJechin wrote on 06/07/12 at 22:34:46:

Chess is often claimed to be a sport, art and science - but it's not really considered to be any of those... It's a game - one of the most challenging games invented, but still just a game.

Sports is also just a game. In principle there isnt any difference between the EC final, dodgeball in kindergarten and a game of chess. Outside assistence at all these games is not considered fair: A bribed ref, having kids from a class higher in the team or using cpomputers
  

If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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Reply #19 - 06/07/12 at 22:34:46
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brabo wrote on 06/07/12 at 17:26:30:
TalJechin wrote on 06/07/12 at 16:56:34:
Well, we're getting off topic, as usual  Smiley

but is it just in chess that people are so very negative to computers? In music and art computers are also used, but you never/rarely hear about musicians or artists who are looked down upon because they're using modern equipment to create their art instead of playing/painting everything themselves...


Chess is always primary considered as a (mind)sport contrary to music or art. To have a fair battle between minds, computers should preferably have no influence. It is also the reason why more and more people are advertising Fisherrandomchess.


Chess is often claimed to be a sport, art and science - but it's not really considered to be any of those... It's a game - one of the most challenging games invented, but still just a game.
  
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Reply #18 - 06/07/12 at 17:26:30
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TalJechin wrote on 06/07/12 at 16:56:34:
Well, we're getting off topic, as usual  Smiley

but is it just in chess that people are so very negative to computers? In music and art computers are also used, but you never/rarely hear about musicians or artists who are looked down upon because they're using modern equipment to create their art instead of playing/painting everything themselves...

Chess is always primary considered as a (mind)sport contrary to music or art. To have a fair battle between minds, computers should preferably have no influence. It is also the reason why more and more people are advertising Fisherrandomchess.
  
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Reply #17 - 06/07/12 at 17:15:19
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kylemeister wrote on 06/07/12 at 15:55:03:
Along these lines, I find it rather striking that when I looked up several ICCF GMs recently, they mostly had OTB ratings in the 1800s (none higher).  One specific case I recall:  a fellow who was a low Expert (2000ish) in the 1990s, but his rating has since fallen by around 150 points.  And yet his understanding of chess has increased to the point that he is now one of the highest-rated active ICCF players.  Or something ... 

As mentioned by TalJechin, cc-chess and otb-chess are 2 different disciplines, needing very different skills. I know some strong otb-players not able to play cc on a decent level.

I also want to add that playing cc hurts otb as playing otb hurts cc. Both types of chess need a lot of effort to reach your best level. When I was playing cc, i spent averagely each day 4 hours on my cc-games. If you have besides that a full time job then it is easy to see that you can't sufficiently work on your otb-chess. After I stopped cc, my otb rating immediately went up with 100 points while during 6 years of cc it was completely stable. 
I talked last to Dutch ex-worldchampion Gert-Jan Timmerman and also he confirmed that playing cc hurts your otb chess. We estimated that IM was certainly a reachable goal without cc for Gert-Jan. Of course we both agreed that a cc-worldtitle means much more than an OTB-IM title.
  
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Well, we're getting off topic, as usual  Smiley

but is it just in chess that people are so very negative to computers? In music and art computers are also used, but you never/rarely hear about musicians or artists who are looked down upon because they're using modern equipment to create their art instead of playing/painting everything themselves...
  
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Reply #15 - 06/07/12 at 16:33:21
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I would say it's more akin to Usain Bolt losing the 100m to a learner driver.  Cheesy
  

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Reply #14 - 06/07/12 at 16:20:02
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kylemeister wrote on 06/07/12 at 15:55:03:
Along these lines, I find it rather striking that when I looked up several ICCF GMs recently, they mostly had OTB ratings in the 1800s (none higher).  One specific case I recall:  a fellow who was a low Expert (2000ish) in the 1990s, but his rating has since fallen by around 150 points.  And yet his understanding of chess has increased to the point that he is now one of the highest-rated active ICCF players.  Or something ... 


Well, it's different disciplines after all. Who would expect Bolt to be good at marathon or a marathon winner to run 100m under 9 seconds...

If rating really was a measure of playing strength (instead of results achieved) then strong corr players aided by engines should all be starting at around 3000. Anyway, corr takes a lot of time and so does OTB-chess, so I would guess that some corr players have simply given up the other forms of chess or at least long games OTB.
  
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Re: Anand's secrets of preparation
Reply #13 - 06/07/12 at 16:16:29
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Vass wrote on 06/07/12 at 15:29:12:
Mhmm.., I'm not sure I was clear...
What I mean is that two strong chess players, well equipped with computers/engines/tablebases and alike...can produce some perfect correspondence chess games, way better than even the best computer chess games. Unfortunately, the likely outcome of these perfect games between the two opponents would be draw..  Embarrassed

What are computer chess games? I assume you mean the ones played in the wccc so on an average of 3 minutes per move. I believe some cc-games can also be considered computer chessgames if the human contribution is as low as just inserting positions and copying the output. Of course in such games engines can use sometimes more than 24 hours on 1 move. No surprise that 24 hours of computing delivers on same hardware and software a much higher level of chess than just 3 minutes.
  
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Re: Anand's secrets of preparation
Reply #12 - 06/07/12 at 15:55:03
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Along these lines, I find it rather striking that when I looked up several ICCF GMs recently, they mostly had OTB ratings in the 1800s (none higher).  One specific case I recall:  a fellow who was a low Expert (2000ish) in the 1990s, but his rating has since fallen by around 150 points.  And yet his understanding of chess has increased to the point that he is now one of the highest-rated active ICCF players.  Or something ...
  
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