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Re: C58: New try main line Two Knights Defense
Reply #109 - 10/24/12 at 06:30:37
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Markovich wrote on 10/24/12 at 00:01:29:
Well, then. 4.Ng5 utterly refutes the Two Knights. ....

Imagine you teach a student of yours showing him some opening moves: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 and you reach your hand for making Ng8-f6 here.. Then suddenly your student says: "Oh-oh.., it's a losing move! 4.Ng5!!...and white wins as per the ultimate sloughter's analysis."  Shocked
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Re: C58: New try main line Two Knights Defense
Reply #108 - 10/24/12 at 00:01:29
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Well, then. 4.Ng5 utterly refutes the Two Knights. Sloughter, would you now please turn your attention to the Botvinnik System? And then the Marshall Gambit? I am dying to know Chess Truth there. Hmm, why I do have an inkling that the extra material will invariably be shown to be winning?
  

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Re: C58: New try main line Two Knights Defense
Reply #107 - 10/23/12 at 22:59:30
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tony37 wrote on 10/23/12 at 21:36:57:
sloughter wrote on 10/23/12 at 20:53:42:

4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5 6.Bb5ch Bd7 7.Qe2 Be7 8.Nf3 N = to +/= White was clearly better in this line in the game Moody-Fritz 12.

4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5 6.Bb5ch c6 7.dxc6 bxc6 8.Qf3 & I achieved a plus against Fritz 12 in the 8...cxb5, 8...Rb8, 8...Be7, and 8...h6 lines. These illustrate some of the problems that Black will have equalizing.

If you don't want to make yourself a laughing stock, you could start by using a better engine than Fritz 12


It was only a few years ago when Fritz 3 was hi tech! For analysis, yes a stronger computer is necessary. 

My computer only supports some of the Houdini 2 program I  purchased. It may be okay for analysis because it does find stuff that Fritz 12 misses. Unfortunately, I only got the program a couple of weeks ago, so I'll have to start from scratch in many openings.

For practical play Fritz 12 is fine. It is rated higher than 99% of the players who post games in various data bases (I have Houdini's 4.74 million games.)
  
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Re: C58: New try main line Two Knights Defense
Reply #106 - 10/23/12 at 21:36:57
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sloughter wrote on 10/23/12 at 20:53:42:

4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5 6.Bb5ch Bd7 7.Qe2 Be7 8.Nf3 N = to +/= White was clearly better in this line in the game Moody-Fritz 12.

4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5 6.Bb5ch c6 7.dxc6 bxc6 8.Qf3 & I achieved a plus against Fritz 12 in the 8...cxb5, 8...Rb8, 8...Be7, and 8...h6 lines. These illustrate some of the problems that Black will have equalizing.

If you don't want to make yourself a laughing stock, you could start by using a better engine than Fritz 12
  
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Re: C58: New try main line Two Knights Defense
Reply #105 - 10/23/12 at 21:12:55
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barnaby wrote on 10/23/12 at 18:07:18:
sloughter wrote on 10/23/12 at 17:48:26:
barnaby wrote on 10/23/12 at 13:21:04:
sloughter wrote on 10/23/12 at 06:36:20:
(Moody came up with a third new move in the King’s Gambit, a move that Kasparov called, “Perfectly playable.”)



Smiley

This has now become one of my favorite all time blurbs.

If I did not know any better, I might think it was cribbed right out of a Mitchell & Webb skit.  

Dunning-Kruger.


And your chess credentials are?


They are of the highest pedigree I assure you but I have no reason to whip them out in public like it's a locker room towel fight amongst pre-pubescent teenage boys.

I like the chess analysis give and take part of these forums but question why anyone needs to make it about themselves, whether it be bragging rights for naming obscure variations they discovered or chest thumping the finding of 'playable moves.'

I come from the camp of firm belief that there is no limit to what one can achieve when they free themselves from the shackles of who gets the credit.  

In chess, and life in general.


Chive on!



Yeah---those pesky Nobel prize winners never want credit for anything.
  
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Re: C58: New try main line Two Knights Defense
Reply #104 - 10/23/12 at 20:53:42
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 08/03/12 at 02:38:22:
I don't want this to turn into a bashing of a fellow member. I will give sloughter a chance to reply. If there's no reply in the next couple of days, I will delete the previous few comments.


The best way to respond is to provide a few examples:

4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 b5 6.Bf1 Nd4 7.c3 Nxd5 8.Ne4 Qh4 9.Ng3 Bg4 10.f3 e4 11.cxd4 Bd6 12.Qe2 Be6? & now either 13.Nc3 N sacing a Rook +-, or, even better, 13.Qxb5ch N +-. World Correspondence Champion Dr. Hans Berliner missed this move winning on the spot.

8.Ne4 Ne6! 9.Bc4! is the only try for a plus.

4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5 6.O-O N (Viewed favorably by GM Larry Evans)

4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5 6.Nxf7 Kxf7 7.Qf3ch Ke6 8.Nc3 Nb4 9.Bb3! N c6 10.a3 Na6 11.d4! with a complicated position

4.Ng5 Bc5 5.Bxf7ch Ke7 6.Bd5 Rf8 7.Bxc6 dxc6 8.Nf3 N Nxe4 9.Qe2 Nxf2 10.Rf1 +/= to +/-
(Evaluation by GM Lev Alburt)

4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5 6.Bb5ch Bd7 7.Qe2 Be7 8.Nf3 N = to +/= White was clearly better in this line in the game Moody-Fritz 12.

4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5 6.Bb5ch c6 7.dxc6 bxc6 8.Qf3 & I achieved a plus against Fritz 12 in the 8...cxb5, 8...Rb8, 8...Be7, and 8...h6 lines. These illustrate some of the problems that Black will have equalizing.
  
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Re: C58: New try main line Two Knights Defense
Reply #103 - 10/23/12 at 20:05:36
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Please stay on topic. I will be deleting or moving off-topic responses in the next few days.
  
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Re: C58: New try main line Two Knights Defense
Reply #102 - 10/23/12 at 18:07:18
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sloughter wrote on 10/23/12 at 17:48:26:
barnaby wrote on 10/23/12 at 13:21:04:
sloughter wrote on 10/23/12 at 06:36:20:
(Moody came up with a third new move in the King’s Gambit, a move that Kasparov called, “Perfectly playable.”)



Smiley

This has now become one of my favorite all time blurbs.

If I did not know any better, I might think it was cribbed right out of a Mitchell & Webb skit.  

Dunning-Kruger.


And your chess credentials are?


They are of the highest pedigree I assure you but I have no reason to whip them out in public like it's a locker room towel fight amongst pre-pubescent teenage boys.

I like the chess analysis give and take part of these forums but question why anyone needs to make it about themselves, whether it be bragging rights for naming obscure variations they discovered or chest thumping the finding of 'playable moves.'

I come from the camp of firm belief that there is no limit to what one can achieve when they free themselves from the shackles of who gets the credit.   

In chess, and life in general.


Chive on!


  
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Re: C58: New try main line Two Knights Defense
Reply #101 - 10/23/12 at 15:16:03
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Sloughter is currently rated 1765 USCF.

For the record, he pays Lev Alburt to 'consult' with him on openings.  I think that goes some way to explain the vaguely non-dismissive comments that Sloughter cites.  One does not bite the hand that feeds.
  
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Re: C58: New try main line Two Knights Defense
Reply #100 - 10/23/12 at 13:21:04
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sloughter wrote on 10/23/12 at 06:36:20:
(Moody came up with a third new move in the King’s Gambit, a move that Kasparov called, “Perfectly playable.”)



Smiley

This has now become one of my favorite all time blurbs.

If I did not know any better, I might think it was cribbed right out of a Mitchell & Webb skit.   

Dunning-Kruger.
  
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Re: C58: New try main line Two Knights Defense
Reply #99 - 10/23/12 at 13:11:24
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sloughter wrote on 10/23/12 at 12:46:12:
Bibs wrote on 10/23/12 at 11:34:47:
sloughter wrote on 10/23/12 at 06:36:20:
Markovich wrote on 08/03/12 at 21:38:36:
Ignorance is no sin, that is true. But stubborn ignorance is a grave sin. Also, the ignorant should not make pretense of superior understanding. Instead of arguing, they should listen and learn. That's what I do when a much stronger player explains something. I hope I do, anyway.


The general perception of post members is that I am a weak player and theoretician because I play OTB poorly.  Thus I should learn from the superior wisdom of post members. Here is a list of my accomplishments as a chess player. When you combine this post with the previous post can any of you argue with any conviction that your understanding of chess is superior to mine?

In 1995 I wrote a chess book called, “The Evans Gambit Revolution”. NM Ken Smith, Editor of Chess Digest was so impressed by my book that he devoted ½ the outside back cover of his Summer catalog and the entire inside back cover of his catalog to promoting my book; he devoted more advertising space to my book than the advertising space devoted to any World Champion including Bobby Fischer.

GM Andy Soltis said of my book, “A well-researched original analysis of an old opening.” He also gave me a favorable review to a book I wrote on the Two Knights’ Defense.

In Correspondence chess one year I reached the Semi-finals of the Golden Knights. I even defeated a Correspondence Master in 16 moves.

Twice I won the Best Question Contest, a column written by GM Larry Evans once where I came up with the innovation 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5 6.O-O N and a second time for the Muzio Gambit.

I’ve had one of my innovations against a Correspondence Expert (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Qe2 Nc6 4.d4!? N) published in its entirety in Inside Chess, a magazine devoted to chess professionals.

My book Magic was called, “Amazing!” by ICM John Elburg. FM Alex Dunne who writes the Correspondence column for Chess Life said, “At first I was antagonistic towards Mr. Moody’s book but then he began to make sense.” At this point he endorsed my concept of universal positions.

The Editor of Chess Life had this to say about me, “We receive a steady stream of letters proposing rules changes, more than on any other subject. This one we almost dismissed right away until we saw the author’s name---when the idea comes from someone with a  proven history of thinking of chess in a fresh way, it must be taken seriously. (Moody came up with a third new move in the King’s Gambit, a move that Kasparov called, “Perfectly playable.”)

GM Lev Alburt had this to say about Magic, “I’ve been consulting Richard Moody on various chess openings for about 25 years. Today, Richard is an unrelenting opening researcher, well skilled in using all tools of the trade---books, data bases, Fritz. His book is another proof that one doesn’t have to be a Master to make important discoveries. And making your own opening theory is one of the surest paths to success in chess.”


This is a wind-up surely? 
For the record, John Elburg not the most reliable chess witness. A man astounded by the chess writing ability of his dead dog. 

Not keen to see any kicking of forum puppies, this post does appear to be inviting a drop-kick over a nearby wall.

That said, I agree with the first two sentences.

Saw a copy of the Magic book once. Cannot comment as to whether this is the worst chess book ever. Not seen all. But it is the worst I have ever seen. 


And your accomplishments in chess are?


Not too many alas. Merely a keen amateur.
Only made it to FM before academia, and life generally, got in the way. FIDE 2260s currently, inactive. 
Hardly play now, but may try to get to the next Olympiad.
Was national champion once though.

Out of interest do you have a rating perchance Mr Sloughter?
Arpad Elo did a fair job, credit to the prof. Rating is something of an indicator of chess strength.
  
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Re: C58: New try main line Two Knights Defense
Reply #98 - 10/23/12 at 11:34:47
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sloughter wrote on 10/23/12 at 06:36:20:
Markovich wrote on 08/03/12 at 21:38:36:
Ignorance is no sin, that is true. But stubborn ignorance is a grave sin. Also, the ignorant should not make pretense of superior understanding. Instead of arguing, they should listen and learn. That's what I do when a much stronger player explains something. I hope I do, anyway.


The general perception of post members is that I am a weak player and theoretician because I play OTB poorly.  Thus I should learn from the superior wisdom of post members. Here is a list of my accomplishments as a chess player. When you combine this post with the previous post can any of you argue with any conviction that your understanding of chess is superior to mine?

In 1995 I wrote a chess book called, “The Evans Gambit Revolution”. NM Ken Smith, Editor of Chess Digest was so impressed by my book that he devoted ½ the outside back cover of his Summer catalog and the entire inside back cover of his catalog to promoting my book; he devoted more advertising space to my book than the advertising space devoted to any World Champion including Bobby Fischer.

GM Andy Soltis said of my book, “A well-researched original analysis of an old opening.” He also gave me a favorable review to a book I wrote on the Two Knights’ Defense.

In Correspondence chess one year I reached the Semi-finals of the Golden Knights. I even defeated a Correspondence Master in 16 moves.

Twice I won the Best Question Contest, a column written by GM Larry Evans once where I came up with the innovation 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5 6.O-O N and a second time for the Muzio Gambit.

I’ve had one of my innovations against a Correspondence Expert (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Qe2 Nc6 4.d4!? N) published in its entirety in Inside Chess, a magazine devoted to chess professionals.

My book Magic was called, “Amazing!” by ICM John Elburg. FM Alex Dunne who writes the Correspondence column for Chess Life said, “At first I was antagonistic towards Mr. Moody’s book but then he began to make sense.” At this point he endorsed my concept of universal positions.

The Editor of Chess Life had this to say about me, “We receive a steady stream of letters proposing rules changes, more than on any other subject. This one we almost dismissed right away until we saw the author’s name---when the idea comes from someone with a  proven history of thinking of chess in a fresh way, it must be taken seriously. (Moody came up with a third new move in the King’s Gambit, a move that Kasparov called, “Perfectly playable.”)

GM Lev Alburt had this to say about Magic, “I’ve been consulting Richard Moody on various chess openings for about 25 years. Today, Richard is an unrelenting opening researcher, well skilled in using all tools of the trade---books, data bases, Fritz. His book is another proof that one doesn’t have to be a Master to make important discoveries. And making your own opening theory is one of the surest paths to success in chess.”


This is a wind-up surely? 
For the record, John Elburg not the most reliable chess witness. A man astounded by the chess writing ability of his dead dog. 

Not keen to see any kicking of forum puppies, this post does appear to be inviting a drop-kick over a nearby wall.

That said, I agree with the first two sentences.

Saw a copy of the Magic book once. Cannot comment as to whether this is the worst chess book ever. Not seen all. But it is the worst I have ever seen. 
  
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Re: C58: New try main line Two Knights Defense
Reply #97 - 08/03/12 at 21:38:36
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Ignorance is no sin, that is true. But stubborn ignorance is a grave sin. Also, the ignorant should not make pretense of superior understanding. Instead of arguing, they should listen and learn. That's what I do when a much stronger player explains something. I hope I do, anyway.
  

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Re: C58: New try main line Two Knights Defense
Reply #96 - 08/03/12 at 06:42:12
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I am not bashing anyone.  I think Sloughter probably loves chess and is a blissful, happy person.  Seems likes he/she has a real passion for the game, regardless of how 'strong' their play is.

I don't think everyone needs to be constantly improving in order to be satisfied with their relationship with the game, nor do they have to concern themselves with this pursuit of chess truth that so many here are obsessed with.

It's a game.  One that need not be take seriously by everyone. 

In addition, the state of being ignorant is not a pejorative.  It is merely another way of saying someone does not know certain things.

Calling someone 'stupid' is one thing, calling them ignorant is entirely different and is not a personal attack, especially after they continually display such a characteristic.

We all ignorant about a lot of things.   Smiley
  
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Re: C58: New try main line Two Knights Defense
Reply #95 - 08/03/12 at 02:38:22
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I don't want this to turn into a bashing of a fellow member. I will give sloughter a chance to reply. If there's no reply in the next couple of days, I will delete the previous few comments.
  
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