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Re: Esserman "Mayhem in the Morra"
Reply #38 - 07/20/12 at 13:24:44
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Thanks guys, Raetsky's book is exactly what I was looking for.
  
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Re: Esserman "Mayhem in the Morra"
Reply #37 - 07/20/12 at 09:02:45
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PANFR wrote on 07/20/12 at 07:34:04:
gramsci wrote on 07/19/12 at 19:11:05:

But both Rogozenko and Aagaard's works cover 3...Nf6 Alapin with e6 which it's not my cup of tea (I play the Najdorf not the Kan). I'm more interested in declining the Morra through the 3...Nf6 Alapin with d6 & Nc6 without e6.


I am failing totally to spot the secret link between a variation of the open Sicilian and an Alapin/Morra variation. Why should you explicitly want to play ...d6 instead of ...e6? There is absolutely nothing extra a Najdorf player would possibly have to study, as 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.c3 Nf6 or 3.d4 cd4 4.c3 Nf6 are certainly fine for Black.


I also fail to understand why you should specifically want to avoid ...e6. By the time White's played d4 and c3 and you've captured on d4 and played ... Nf6, you're not in an Open Sicilian, so it really doesn't matter whether you play the Kan or the Najdorf as neither of them is now going to appear on the board. If you're worried about the move order 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.c3 Nf6, as mentioned by PANFR above, then Rogozenko does cover that in his book which I referred to in my previous post. Raetsky's book, as mentioned by Straggler, covers the lines you seem to want to play, but will not cover the lines specific to the 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.c3 Nf6 move order as Raetsky's repertoire is based around 2...Nc6.
  
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Re: Esserman "Mayhem in the Morra"
Reply #36 - 07/20/12 at 08:23:39
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gramsci wrote on 07/19/12 at 16:59:08:
bragesjo wrote on 06/29/12 at 07:03:02:
In my humble patzer opinion, I think that white has the slightly better chanses in Alapin with Nf6 compared to Alapin via Morra move order.


I'm interested in avoiding the Morra this way, transposing into the Alapin's main line. As all the sources I've been searching for are repertoires for white, where can I find information from black's point of view?


I play d5 against c3 for some reaons, I thought white had better moves than an early d4 in c3 sicilian with Nf6 but I dont remember exactly what line it was since I play open Sicilian as white...

The most recent book from blacks point of view is "Experts on antiscilian" (or something like that). They advocaded a d6 e6 setup for black in Nf6 line.
  
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Re: Esserman "Mayhem in the Morra"
Reply #35 - 07/20/12 at 08:03:22
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gramsci wrote on 07/19/12 at 19:11:05:
But both Rogozenko and Aagaard's works cover 3...Nf6 Alapin with e6 which it's not my cup of tea (I play the Najdorf not the Kan). I'm more interested in declining the Morra through the 3...Nf6 Alapin with d6 & Nc6 without e6.

Rogozenko does give a line with an early ...e6, but his main recommendation involves ...d6 without ...e6. 

Raetsky also recommends lines without an early ...e6 in his "Meeting 1.e4", though he advises acceptance of the Morra rather than transposing into those lines. Since the centre of his repertoire is the Four Knights, which you can equally reach via 2.Nf3 e6 (avoiding 3.Bb5), I suspect that he recommends 2.Nf3 Nc6 because he doesn't like 2.Nf3 e6 3.c3.
  
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Re: Esserman "Mayhem in the Morra"
Reply #34 - 07/20/12 at 07:34:04
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gramsci wrote on 07/19/12 at 19:11:05:

But both Rogozenko and Aagaard's works cover 3...Nf6 Alapin with e6 which it's not my cup of tea (I play the Najdorf not the Kan). I'm more interested in declining the Morra through the 3...Nf6 Alapin with d6 & Nc6 without e6.


I am failing totally to spot the secret link between a variation of the open Sicilian and an Alapin/Morra variation. Why should you explicitly want to play ...d6 instead of ...e6? There is absolutely nothing extra a Najdorf player would possibly have to study, as 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.c3 Nf6 or 3.d4 cd4 4.c3 Nf6 are certainly fine for Black.
  
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Re: Esserman "Mayhem in the Morra"
Reply #33 - 07/19/12 at 19:11:05
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Seeley wrote on 07/19/12 at 17:33:38:
gramsci wrote on 07/19/12 at 16:59:08:

I'm interested in avoiding the Morra this way, transposing into the Alapin's main line. As all the sources I've been searching for are repertoires for white, where can I find information from black's point of view?

'Anti-Sicilians: A Guide for Black' (Rogozenko 2003) recommends declining the Morra with 3...Nf6, transposing into his treatment of the Alapin.

But both Rogozenko and Aagaard's works cover 3...Nf6 Alapin with e6 which it's not my cup of tea (I play the Najdorf not the Kan). I'm more interested in declining the Morra through the 3...Nf6 Alapin with d6 & Nc6 without e6.
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Re: Esserman "Mayhem in the Morra"
Reply #32 - 07/19/12 at 17:33:38
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gramsci wrote on 07/19/12 at 16:59:08:

I'm interested in avoiding the Morra this way, transposing into the Alapin's main line. As all the sources I've been searching for are repertoires for white, where can I find information from black's point of view?

'Anti-Sicilians: A Guide for Black' (Rogozenko 2003) recommends declining the Morra with 3...Nf6, transposing into his treatment of the Alapin.
  
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Re: Esserman "Mayhem in the Morra"
Reply #31 - 07/19/12 at 17:23:39
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Even these days one can look at general sources (like e.g. Chess Publishing) and decide on what to play ...
  
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Re: Esserman "Mayhem in the Morra"
Reply #30 - 07/19/12 at 16:59:08
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bragesjo wrote on 06/29/12 at 07:03:02:
In my humble patzer opinion, I think that white has the slightly better chanses in Alapin with Nf6 compared to Alapin via Morra move order.


I'm interested in avoiding the Morra this way, transposing into the Alapin's main line. As all the sources I've been searching for are repertoires for white, where can I find information from black's point of view?
  
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Re: Esserman "Mayhem in the Morra"
Reply #29 - 07/13/12 at 09:29:13
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MNb wrote on 06/29/12 at 12:01:30:
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Thanks, MNb!  Smiley
  

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Re: Esserman "Mayhem in the Morra"
Reply #28 - 07/12/12 at 04:21:48
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Does Langrock's second edition have significantly enough new material to justify getting both?

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Re: Esserman "Mayhem in the Morra"
Reply #27 - 07/02/12 at 02:28:00
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MNB, don't go!  Don't let one (or more!) children, who were brought up wrong, take you away from us.  For ten years, you've been my favorite.  I've learned more from you than ANYONE.  I became a master while reading your advice (including the Morra!) the last six years.

Please reconsider.
  
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Re: Esserman "Mayhem in the Morra"
Reply #26 - 06/30/12 at 16:24:37
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Well it is and it isn't Smiley Imagine a  hypothetical line where white is an awful lot better with perfect play but needs to play a whole bunch of 'only' moves to prove it.

That'd be a good line in principle but also an awful lot of work.

Our realistic goal against the Sicillian is unclear attacking chances. 
(The very main line opens may offer a little more, but unarguably an awful lot of work!)

The open sicillian side lines basically give you that for 'free' - a bit of knowledge of what set ups you're after is the main thing - while the morra does need some specifics.
  
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Re: Esserman "Mayhem in the Morra"
Reply #25 - 06/30/12 at 10:41:33
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MNb wrote on 06/29/12 at 12:01:30:
Dragonslayer wrote on 06/28/12 at 14:03:04:
So the open Sicilian is better than the morra because White can choose g3 lines???

That's not what I wrote. I wrote that it's less work. Strawman. My, do I get tired of this. I quit. If anybody wants to replace me as the moderator of the Dragon section, you're welcome. This forum doesn't need me anymore.
All the regulars (including Dragonslayer and Ghenghis Clown; coolest nick ever) thanks for all the good times.

Sorry tou got offended. Less work = better in my vocabulary. Anyway I agree with you. Goodbye!
Ps: @ PANFR White has less options and black has less options. In the Nf6 line this may be more of an advantage for Black (though d4 still is 3 times more common than non-d4 lines) , but that's not the only reply for Black in the ...d5 line ...cxd4 is not popular in the Alapin move-order.
  
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Re: Esserman "Mayhem in the Morra"
Reply #24 - 06/30/12 at 09:24:55
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Dragonslayer wrote on 06/28/12 at 14:03:04:
PANFR wrote on 06/27/12 at 16:10:32:
Actually from the Morra move order White has less options than the Alapin, as he can't delay d2-d4 for a while.

And Black cannot delay ...cxd4, so...?
It's been a while since I've heard so many unfounded claims.


Can you read, sir, or not?
  
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