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Re: DVD vs. Book: Are DVDs proving beneficial ?
Reply #9 - 07/05/12 at 12:37:53
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I generally learn best from books (in any subject). As with JEH, I watch chess videos more for entertainment than for instruction. Some particulars:

1. I find videos on openings completely useless. The pace is always too fast or too slow. Also, without a tree of lines (which I guess some DVDs have) to consult, there's no good way to use it as a reference.

2. I watched a couple of Karsten Müller's endgame DVDs and enjoyed them, although I don't think I retained the knowledge very well.

3. One set of DVDs I do very much enjoy is Daniel King's Power Play series. Again, I'm not sure how much I retain from them, but he's an excellent presenter.

4. I am addicted to IM Greg Shahade's videos (the longer ones, not the blitz games). These fall into two categories, recapping his tournament games (every one of them, win or lose, exciting or boring) and playing live solitaire chess (trying to guess the next move of GM games). Especially in the latter case, you get to see how a strong player's thought process works in real time. I'm not sure how helpful it is, but it is entertaining and fascinating.
  
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Re: DVD vs. Book: Are DVDs proving beneficial ?
Reply #8 - 07/05/12 at 12:27:12
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Ender wrote on 07/05/12 at 12:21:43:
Some books are good, some books are from Schiller....  Wink Same with DVDs : don't buy DVDs by Lilov, they are HORRIBLE, just like Schiller's books. But Tiviakov and Bologan made many GREAT DVDs


Agree, re: Lilov. Awful. Almost comically bad.

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Reply #7 - 07/05/12 at 12:21:43
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Some books are good, some books are from Schiller....  Wink Same with DVDs : don't buy DVDs by Lilov, they are HORRIBLE, just like Schiller's books. But Tiviakov and Bologan made many GREAT DVDs
  

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Re: DVD vs. Book: Are DVDs proving beneficial ?
Reply #6 - 07/05/12 at 10:28:49
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I have lots of books. I have lots of DVDs.
I have watched all the DVDs. Some more than once.

I have not read all the books. I still have a far too large number of unread or only flicked through ones. 

The hope is that the mere possession of them will make me a better player  Wink

In terms of learning effectiveness, due to my age, my chess knowledge has really come from books, as the DVDs came along at much much later stage in my chess development. No idea what it would be like to have tried to gain the knowledge at a chess fledgling age from DVDs (plus to a similar effect the many and varied chess material you can get online, either free, or paid for on sites like ICC). A lot of the free 10 min vids are like chess popcorn I can lazily munch through, but are they nutritional for my chess  Huh

I kind of view the DVDs more as an entertainment factor, rather than to gain knowledge. So if I happen to learn something, that's a bonus. I found Kasparov's DVDs on the QDG and Najdorf very interesting, but very probably wouldn't play either. I found Korchnoi's DVD rather entertaining. 

I feel the zeitgeist is very lazy nowadays, and book study feels like hard work, but I think hard work gives the best rewards.

I've bought some opening DVDs just to get a feel for if I might be interesting in playing an opening. If they were all accompanied by analysis files, like e.g. Gustafsson's 1. ...e5 repertoire, this might be the way forward.
  

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Re: DVD vs. Book: Are DVDs proving beneficial ?
Reply #5 - 07/05/12 at 08:07:01
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Aren't the main questions:

- How good is the material presented?
- How much work do you put in the understanding of the content?
  

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Re: DVD vs. Book: Are DVDs proving beneficial ?
Reply #4 - 07/04/12 at 21:36:04
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I own Gustafsson's Marshall/Anti-Marshall and Open games dvds and they're the best I've ever watched, I wish more presenters would offer the analysis files like he does, this should become standard practice for opening dvds imo. I also found Nick Pert's two Killer Endgame dvds very good as well. Apart from these none of the others dvds I own have impressed me too much, some have been fairly entertaining but haven't really helped my chess improvement much. I think for training study, books are still the best, but for openings if the presenters offer the analysis files I can see these replacing opening books in future.
  
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Re: DVD vs. Book: Are DVDs proving beneficial ?
Reply #3 - 07/04/12 at 19:35:42
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I own many books and many DvDs but the comparison becomes tricky.

A good presenter like Kramnik in any format is going to be superior. Dvds I find I rarely remember what I watch. I paid 5x the price to watch a certain amount of material and the material can be very hit or miss (superficial - something that would be easy to judge by a quick look in a book).

Overall, Dvds have been a very very very bad investment for me. One I regret doing entirely. I have completely stopped buying them as there is more than any free streaming video material of higher quality (and its free!) available. I now am back to buying only books.
  
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Re: DVD vs. Book: Are DVDs proving beneficial ?
Reply #2 - 07/04/12 at 19:21:08
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I own many DVD's and books,  but one cannot really  compare DVD's directly with books. Clearly, the depth of material that can be covered on a DVD will always be paltry compared to the material in a book. 

But are DVD's beneficial? Yes, of course there are. But firstly, it depends on your playing level and knowledge of that particular area covered on each specific DVD. Personally,  I have learnt something from every DVD that I have. They are useful introductions to a variety of topics - opening, middlegame and endgame. And I would say that some opening DVD's are good enough to prepare you to play at a 2000 to 2100 ELO level. (Of course, this is heresy to say this here) 

As with books, the quality of DVD's  varies widely. So you need to read the reviews before buying or  only buy authors who have proven themselves if there are no reviews available. 

In addition, you need to consider your learning style. Some people  learn better by reading, some by  listening. Passively watching a DVD is not an effective way to learn for me. I usually enter the moves from an opening DVD into COW and I create test positions in Chessbase from some endgame DVD's to help remember and absorb what I learn.

In summary, I would say DVD's cannot replace books, but they are a useful supplement.
  

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Re: DVD vs. Book: Are DVDs proving beneficial ?
Reply #1 - 07/04/12 at 18:48:48
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I think the quality of the material differs greatly.

I have the two by Gustafsson about 1 e4 e5 and the one by Bojkov about the KID. In my view these are quite good.

Others I have seen partly I found less useful and generally I prefer good books which offer more material for the same or a lower price. 

Perhaps a combination of both would be perfect!?
  
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DVD vs. Book: Are DVDs proving beneficial ?
07/04/12 at 17:44:37
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I have many chess books.

Do ChessPub visitors own instructional chess DVDs (such as the Fritz Trainer series from ChessBase)?

If Yes, do people find the DVDs to be effective?
  

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