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Re: 1.e4 e5 - An active Repertoire for Black
Reply #16 - 08/01/12 at 12:07:04
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Good enough quite possibly. That's not quite the issue though because an early d3 like this can't ever be lethal.

The 'problem' is more that this approach works out a bit better for white here than in the anti Marshalls or the 6.. Bc5 move order where he has to go h3 to provoke Bb7.

Since there's no major a priori loss of soundness elsewhere, it suppose that it tends to viewed as a tiny bit unessecary to allow it. A bit like the Keres attack in some ways I suppose?

Of course both the Marshall and 6.. Bc5 do commit to some non trivial, independent theory so you might prefer those lines after 6.. Bb7 to put up with it.
  
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Reply #15 - 08/01/12 at 08:39:00
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Ametanoitos wrote on 07/20/12 at 19:06:40:
My problem with the Archangel is that when White sees the ...Bb7 move he plays d3! In his first DVD Mikhalsitchin recommended ...Be7 which is correct, but never said anything about the line recommended by Vigorito in his "Understanding the Marshal Attack" (he didn't actually recommended it, he just mentioned it comparing it with an Anti-Marshal line). White plays Re1-Nbd2 and when ...d6 then a3! (like the h3 anti-Marshal but without the move h3!. Also it is important to mention that even with h3 Bologan thinks that White is a bit better. The same opinion had Khalifman many years ago...)

So, what does he give againt the d3 line now? Again ...Be7 and all the Nc3 lines without mentioning the Nbd2 system?





I read this kind of thing in another thread...but yet strong players still play this way...so I've briefly (I need to stress that) looked into it. It seems to me that :


1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O b5 6. Bb3 Bb7 7.d3 Bd6 8. c3 ( 8. a4 h6 seems to do well for Black )O-O ( 8... Ne7 maybe?  )9. Nbd2 h6 10. d4 ( 10. a3 Re8 11. Nh4 Bf8 12. Ng6 Bc5 13.Nf3 d5 14. exd5 and Black can take by with the Knight or play 14...Na5  )10... Re8 

should be good enough. Or did I miss something?
  
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Reply #14 - 07/25/12 at 12:13:08
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Ender wrote on 07/21/12 at 08:35:49:
Noone should believe Mikhalchishin analysis. He has bad reputation in Poland. Many years ago he was trainig one of the best polish talents (later strong GM) and he was with him on tournament abroad (I think Netherlands, but I'm not 100% sure). They played a game and Mihalchishin choosed variation which he previously analysed with his pupil. His conclusion during analysis was "black is ok". So polish player repeated the moves and Mikhachishin played stronger line at some point and won the game. He was fired immidiately after the game because he has no coaching etics. I dont believe even in one line from this guy.


Another take on this is Mikhalchishin gave his pupil their most important lesson   Smiley

  
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Reply #13 - 07/25/12 at 12:09:00
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Ender wrote on 07/21/12 at 08:35:49:
Noone should believe Mikhalchishin analysis. He has bad reputation in Poland. Many years ago he was trainig one of the best polish talents (later strong GM) and he was with him on tournament abroad (I think Netherlands, but I'm not 100% sure). They played a game and Mihalchishin choosed variation which he previously analysed with his pupil. His conclusion during analysis was "black is ok". So polish player repeated the moves and Mikhachishin played stronger line at some point and won the game. He was fired immidiately after the game because he has no coaching etics. I dont believe even in one line from this guy.


Well, I would need a lot more evidence than this to make such a sweeping judgement on Mikhalchishin's character. Why should Mikhalchishin "cut his own throat" (financially) like this? If he has such a bad reputation, why is still he able to earn a living as a coach?

As a junior coach, I have often found myself in the situation of having to play against one of my students, usually in rapidplay events. Since I don't like pre-arranged results, we both play to win. If my student decides to play something we have analysed together, I will usually deviate with some secondary (but playable) line, e.g. if I have prepared my student to answer 1 e4 with e5 and thus to have some defence against the Spanish as his main repertoire choice, I might play a quiet line with an early d3, so we have a slow battle with equal chances, in which my greater experience might count. I do not see that there is anything wrong in this - the coach is fully entitled to play for a win! I suspect that Mikhalchishin might have done something similar, but the student (or parent) reacted badly. However, perhaps Mikhalchishin should have established more clearly the "rules of engagement" before the game.
  
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Re: 1.e4 e5 - An active Repertoire for Black
Reply #12 - 07/25/12 at 07:37:51
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TopNotch wrote on 07/25/12 at 03:16:11:
Ender wrote on 07/21/12 at 08:35:49:
Noone should believe Mikhalchishin analysis. He has bad reputation in Poland. Many years ago he was trainig one of the best polish talents (later strong GM) and he was with him on tournament abroad (I think Netherlands, but I'm not 100% sure). They played a game and Mihalchishin choosed variation which he previously analysed with his pupil. His conclusion during analysis was "black is ok". So polish player repeated the moves and Mikhachishin played stronger line at some point and won the game. He was fired immidiately after the game because he has no coaching etics. I dont believe even in one line from this guy.


I think it was more than a bit cheeky for the pupil to try and profit from shared analysis against his own teacher, don't you agree. In any case that age old Maxim still applies when it comes to analysis, trust but verify, and that goes for trainers analysis as well. Curiously though, I wonder what would have happened had it been the pupil that found a hole in Mikhalchisin's analysis, would he have revealed it or used it against his teacher. Food for thought.    




Pupil played as white. Mihalcisin choose the line their was analysing shortly before the game so the pupil took it as a invitation to a draw. Then Mihalcisin played stronger move and won the game. This is DISGUISTING. He was payed very good money and was on tournament with his pupil as a tutor. If you want to take money from someone you should not hide something. This is how it works. I would fired this guy in this situation too. Mihalcisin is well known for not being honest with his pupils and this is the reason I don't trust his analysis for CB. This is only easy money for him, he will not reveal NOTHING. No work ethic at all.
  
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Reply #11 - 07/25/12 at 06:45:05
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So, he doesn't cover the TKD well, TopNotch. How does he do with the Bc5 Scotch??

(Forgive me for discussing a non-Spanish opening here, just want a quick answer, please?  Smiley )
  
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Reply #10 - 07/25/12 at 03:16:11
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Ender wrote on 07/21/12 at 08:35:49:
Noone should believe Mikhalchishin analysis. He has bad reputation in Poland. Many years ago he was trainig one of the best polish talents (later strong GM) and he was with him on tournament abroad (I think Netherlands, but I'm not 100% sure). They played a game and Mihalchishin choosed variation which he previously analysed with his pupil. His conclusion during analysis was "black is ok". So polish player repeated the moves and Mikhachishin played stronger line at some point and won the game. He was fired immidiately after the game because he has no coaching etics. I dont believe even in one line from this guy.


I think it was more than a bit cheeky for the pupil to try and profit from shared analysis against his own teacher, don't you agree. In any case that age old Maxim still applies when it comes to analysis, trust but verify, and that goes for trainers analysis as well. Curiously though, I wonder what would have happened had it been the pupil that found a hole in Mikhalchisin's analysis, would he have revealed it or used it against his teacher. Food for thought.    

Regarding the DVD, I found the presentation a bit rushed and superficial in quite a few places, in particular critical lines of the Two Knights Defence barely scratched the surface. Still it is encouraging that he plays all or most of the lines he suggests on the DVD, and there is little overlap with other DVD's covering the same topic.

Overall I would have to rate this DVD as average, Mikhalchishin bites off more than he can chew in trying to offer a complete Black 1.e4 e5 Rep in one DVD. Gustaffson's 2dvd set is much better, providing depth of analysis delivered in an engaging and unrushed presentation.

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Reply #9 - 07/25/12 at 01:23:02
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Ametanoitos wrote on 07/20/12 at 19:06:40:
My problem with the Archangel is that when White sees the ...Bb7 move he plays d3! In his first DVD Mikhalsitchin recommended ...Be7 which is correct, but never said anything about the line recommended by Vigorito in his "Understanding the Marshal Attack" (he didn't actually recommended it, he just mentioned it comparing it with an Anti-Marshal line). White plays Re1-Nbd2 and when ...d6 then a3! (like the h3 anti-Marshal but without the move h3!. Also it is important to mention that even with h3 Bologan thinks that White is a bit better. The same opinion had Khalifman many years ago...)

So, what does he give againt the d3 line now? Again ...Be7 and all the Nc3 lines without mentioning the Nbd2 system?


I read this kind of thing in another thread...but yet strong players still play this way...so I've briefly (I need to stress that) looked into it. It seems to me that :


1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O b5 6. Bb3 Bb7 7.d3 Bd6 8. c3 ( 8. a4 h6 seems to do well for Black )O-O ( 8... Ne7 maybe?  )9. Nbd2 h6 10. d4 ( 10. a3 Re8 11. Nh4 Bf8 12. Ng6 Bc5 13.Nf3 d5 14. exd5 and Black can take by with the Knight or play 14...Na5  )10... Re8 

should be good enough. Or did I miss something?
  
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Reply #8 - 07/21/12 at 10:04:02
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Vass wrote on 07/21/12 at 09:49:29:
Ender wrote on 07/21/12 at 08:51:54:
Ametanoitos wrote on 07/20/12 at 19:06:40:

So, what does he give againt the d3 line now? Again ...Be7 and all the Nc3 lines without mentioning the Nbd2 system?


He didn't even bother to mention this line.

Can you give us the exact moves?

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Strange story!? I never heard about it..
I thought of Mikhalchishin as one of the best trainers altogether..  Embarrassed
Or I was wrong..  Undecided


This story is true and shows how this guy is not honest with his pupils. 

Re line : he didn't even mention d3-a3-nbd2 plan. Onl d3 and Nc3
  
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Reply #7 - 07/21/12 at 09:49:29
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Ender wrote on 07/21/12 at 08:51:54:
Ametanoitos wrote on 07/20/12 at 19:06:40:

So, what does he give againt the d3 line now? Again ...Be7 and all the Nc3 lines without mentioning the Nbd2 system?


He didn't even bother to mention this line.

Can you give us the exact moves?

@ Ender
Strange story!? I never heard about it..
I thought of Mikhalchishin as one of the best trainers altogether..  Embarrassed
Or I was wrong..  Undecided
  
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Ametanoitos wrote on 07/20/12 at 19:06:40:

So, what does he give againt the d3 line now? Again ...Be7 and all the Nc3 lines without mentioning the Nbd2 system?


He didn't even bother to mention this line.
  
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Noone should believe Mikhalchishin analysis. He has bad reputation in Poland. Many years ago he was trainig one of the best polish talents (later strong GM) and he was with him on tournament abroad (I think Netherlands, but I'm not 100% sure). They played a game and Mihalchishin choosed variation which he previously analysed with his pupil. His conclusion during analysis was "black is ok". So polish player repeated the moves and Mikhachishin played stronger line at some point and won the game. He was fired immidiately after the game because he has no coaching etics. I dont believe even in one line from this guy.
  
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My problem with the Archangel is that when White sees the ...Bb7 move he plays d3! In his first DVD Mikhalsitchin recommended ...Be7 which is correct, but never said anything about the line recommended by Vigorito in his "Understanding the Marshal Attack" (he didn't actually recommended it, he just mentioned it comparing it with an Anti-Marshal line). White plays Re1-Nbd2 and when ...d6 then a3! (like the h3 anti-Marshal but without the move h3!. Also it is important to mention that even with h3 Bologan thinks that White is a bit better. The same opinion had Khalifman many years ago...)

So, what does he give againt the d3 line now? Again ...Be7 and all the Nc3 lines without mentioning the Nbd2 system?
  
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Reply #3 - 07/06/12 at 08:52:30
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I forget to look there, thanks Seeley.
  
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Reply #2 - 07/06/12 at 08:19:11
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I was originally going to move this thread, but since the book covers two of the sub-forums here, it makes some sense to have one for discussing the Spanish section of the repertoire and one for the non-Spanish section. So I won't merge this thread, for now.
  
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