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Re: quick rules question
Reply #7 - 08/16/12 at 18:36:45
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Tricklev wrote on 08/16/12 at 18:18:45:
I don't see steroids as cheating in 100meters sprint, fortunately the rules are the same for everyone though.



You don't see steroids as cheating? Really?

Right. That's exactly the analogy I expected.
  

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I don't see steroids as cheating in 100meters sprint, fortunately the rules are the same for everyone though.
  
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Re: Doping in sports. Compiled from various threads
Reply #5 - 08/18/12 at 14:56:01
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TalJechin wrote on 08/18/12 at 12:44:49:
Tricklev wrote on 08/18/12 at 11:08:45:
fling wrote on 08/18/12 at 09:47:53:
Tanaha wrote on 08/02/12 at 14:19:38:
And you all should remember anybody who wins medals uses doping.


In cycling, probably. Others sports, maybe, maybe not. I am sure not all top athletes use doping.


Now this is very offtopic for a generall chess discussion, but the testing in for example Jamaica is extremely lousy, and there are virtually only tests during competitions.

Which means the athletes get a free pass on doping.


The international anti-doping authorities send out out representatives to take control samples very regularly, especially if you're at the top of your field. And avoiding tests counts as doping just as much as getting found out, so I don't believe there's a "free pass on doping" at all.


That's how it should be, unfortunately that is not how it actually works, they outsource the responsiblity to the nations anti doping agency, an agency that naturally needs to follow under the WADA-code. Unfortunately some national organisations are better at this than others.

There is a reason why so many athletes from the western world head over to China to train during the off season, and it would be naive to think that it's solely based on the fact that China is a lovely country.
  
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Re: Doping in sports. Compiled from various threads
Reply #4 - 08/18/12 at 12:44:49
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Tricklev wrote on 08/18/12 at 11:08:45:
fling wrote on 08/18/12 at 09:47:53:
Tanaha wrote on 08/02/12 at 14:19:38:
And you all should remember anybody who wins medals uses doping.


In cycling, probably. Others sports, maybe, maybe not. I am sure not all top athletes use doping.


Now this is very offtopic for a generall chess discussion, but the testing in for example Jamaica is extremely lousy, and there are virtually only tests during competitions.

Which means the athletes get a free pass on doping.


The international anti-doping authorities send out out representatives to take control samples very regularly, especially if you're at the top of your field. And avoiding tests counts as doping just as much as getting found out, so I don't believe there's a "free pass on doping" at all.
  
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Re: Doping in sports. Compiled from various threads
Reply #3 - 08/18/12 at 11:08:45
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fling wrote on 08/18/12 at 09:47:53:
Tanaha wrote on 08/02/12 at 14:19:38:
And you all should remember anybody who wins medals uses doping.


In cycling, probably. Others sports, maybe, maybe not. I am sure not all top athletes use doping.


Now this is very offtopic for a generall chess discussion, but the testing in for example Jamaica is extremely lousy, and there are virtually only tests during competitions.

Which means the athletes get a free pass on doping.
  
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Re: Doping in sports. Compiled from various threads
Reply #2 - 08/18/12 at 09:47:53
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Tanaha wrote on 08/02/12 at 14:19:38:
And you all should remember anybody who wins medals uses doping.


In cycling, probably. Others sports, maybe, maybe not. I am sure not all top athletes use doping.
  
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Reply #1 - 08/02/12 at 14:19:38
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And you all should remember anybody who wins medals uses doping.
  
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Doping in sports. Compiled from various threads
08/01/12 at 22:02:39
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Keano wrote on 08/01/12 at 08:11:32:

That was the first comparison I thought of, but actually I think engine use in chess is worse than doping. Its like someone in the womens 100m getting Usain Bolt to put a wig and dress on and pretend to be them.


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Thinking about it, I agree. A player rated 1000 can beat Carlsen if he finds a way to get engine assistance for every move. I cannot think of any sports where you can achieve a comparable increase in your results through doping. Which is another reason why a 3-year ban from chess because of enginge use is a lighter punishment than a 3-year ban from football because of doping.

Yet another issue is that once a chess player is caught using an engine, there is no doubt about the cheating. Doping tests are more uncertain; if the A test is positive, it must be followed up by a B test, and there is always the risk that an athlete may be unaware that he is doping himself by eating what the trainer gives him. In some cases, we will never know if the athlete was innocent. This does not apply to chess; every chess player knows very well if he is receiving engine assistance or not.
  
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