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Re: Burgess is back
Reply #45 - 03/07/18 at 18:42:15
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Having used this book extensively in correspondence games (not engine assisted, well by me at least) I have found a few ares of the repetoire to be problematic. 
    Love the Kings indian section, but the Grunfeld section with Qb3 I have found very difficult and many good and dangerous options for black are not included.  It maybe that in such open positions it is easier for my more unscrupulous opponents  to find engine improvements.   
  
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Reply #44 - 09/14/14 at 02:12:41
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I have to say I consider this book one of the most impressive opening books ever -- really a masterpiece relative to its intended purpose -- and it has a chance of being my main 1.d4 resource or maybe even my main White repertoire in the future.  My openings background is 1.e4 except for one year playing 1.d4 2.c4, so I think I am a prime candidate for the book's target audience.   

I particularly like Burgess's recommendations where e2-e4 may appear without c2-c4: obviously the Torre Attack, but also the 6.a4 King's Indian.  The latter can resemble a sort of Philidor/Pirc where a2-a4 is an absolutely normal/logical move, but the LS-bishop is on g2 rather than its usual home on c4.  It seems to me the bishop is placed well on g2 assisting queenside play with ideas of a4-a5-a6 rather than on c4 since a direct attack on the king can be difficult to organize.   

Of course, being a 1.e4 player I would not hesitate to transpose to a Pirc or Open Sicilian or French, which is in the spirit of the book although obviously beyond its scope.  For example, I am not convinced by Eingorn's "rock-solid" coverage of 1.d4 e6 2.Nf3!? (2.e4) 2...c5 3.e4 for the "accidental" Sicilian player who invited a French on the previous move -- also at White's option.

This forum post is not a proper "review" but i felt an urge to share my appreciation and enthusiasm for the book and hope it will spur others to comment.  I don't think the book is good as a "starter" 1.d4 repertoire as it assumes a comfort level with different types of positions and a sort of intuitive acceptance that we are not doing the same plan against everything because the aim is to be shifty and crafty.  Burgess is a smart man who put a lot of time and thought into this project, and in my opinion he succeeded impressively.

The book is generally well laid-out and simple enough to play casually after a couple sittings.  The one exception, which i've not sorted out, are the many Slav and Semi-Slav transpositions-- e.g., when to play Nbd2 vs. Nc3 and when to gambit the c4-pawn.  These are not readily apparent to me after a couple perusals of teh book.  Of course i don't blame Burgess for this.

Seeley wrote on 10/10/13 at 21:52:29:

He's written a book on the Slav, so I'd have thought he must have noticed the transposition.

At page 18 Burgess writes, "This is known as the Mannheim Variation... 4...c6 5.Qxc4 is a solid line that can also arise from the Slav."  Does that count as mentioning the transposition?
  

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Re: Burgess is back
Reply #43 - 01/27/14 at 16:33:01
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In my experience, having similar setups in different lines isn't useful because you use the same strategy in each line, it's useful because you can take advantage of some transpositional possibilities.
  
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Reply #42 - 01/27/14 at 16:03:28
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I can't disagree there.

A fair bit of it perhaps because a book called 'play whatever you like the look of' wouldn't be terribly easy to write Smiley
  
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Reply #41 - 01/27/14 at 15:36:19
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I wish that club players would stop worrying about what they SHOULD play based on their "style" or what some author said, and just play whatever interests them.   

I play 6.Bg5 in the Samisch against the King's Indian, but I don't put my pawn on f3 in the QGD, or my bishop on g5...I play the Catalan!  Why?  The King's Indian is a completely different frickin' opening than the Queen's Gambit Declined, why should a consistent piece setup work against them both?!?!  Put another way--is the bishop going to g5 for the same reason in both?  Of course not!  Then it's not really "consistent" to have the piece go there against both, is it??

Ditto the Slav vs. Queen's Gambit Declined vs. Semi-Slav; they're all different openings with different ideas.  It's perfectly reasonable to like the 5.g3 gambit lines against the Semi-Slav, and yet not like playing the Catalan against the Queen's Gambit Declined.   

Ditto the "g3 against everything" crowd.  I play the Catalan but NOT the fianchetto Grunfeld, King's Indian, Benoni (usually), or Benko.  I'm so internally inconsistent!

If there are any consistent philosophical underpinnings to my opening choices, they're probably along the lines of 1) I like space, and 2) I like annoying my opponent (not giving him what he wants).  I could do that with dozens of different openings, including 1.e4.

There are many different reasons to play the same opening.  Karpov and Kasparov each played either side of some Queen's Gambit Declined positions--even against each other!--and they're considered to have opposite styles, right?  Karpov played the Samisch against the King's Indian (with an absolutely incredible 43/52 score in my database), and so did Rainier Knaak, and so did Chris Ward (88 games apiece).  Anyone think Karpov, Knaak, and Ward have similar styles?  Anyone?!?

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Reply #40 - 01/27/14 at 11:42:19
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doesnt Steve Giddins in his book on building an opening repertoire make the point that club players often put too much emphasis on having a style? much of this probably comes from the material we read and encourages us to classify ourselves in this way.  

I like the reasoning behind the options chosen by Burgess, and in addition feel that it would very much help a club player find his own style or chess identity, especially at the lower end of the club/tournament spectrum as it gives them a wider choice of options to use.  

Burgess's selection is also useful for those players transitioning from D-pawn special repertoires to a more standard range of openings. They may already play the Torre, or be using something that involves starting the game with d4 and Nf3 such as the colle, zuketort or london system. Or, they may be a tromp player looking for alternative lines.



  

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Reply #39 - 01/27/14 at 09:42:21
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Well adopting different pawn structures/ideas is quite good for normal club players too - it stops problems where you get locked into playing in one particular way.

Short term strength drop probably, yes. Long term maybe slightly positive.
  
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Reply #38 - 01/27/14 at 06:53:17
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ReneDescartes wrote on 01/26/14 at 23:51:45:
Consistency is not the point of Burgess' repertoire at all. For that, see Avrukh, Eingorn, etc.  Besides, the motivation for this choice is that Triangle players are not likely to know sidelines of the Catalan; they want a Noteboom, Marshall or Semi-Slav. Depriving your opponent of his preferred type of game and of the opportunity to use his special positional knowledge, without escaping into inferior lines, is Burgess' point.


Thank you for your reply! Personnally, as black I have a harder time defending against the catalan than the Bf4-QGD. I agree with Stigma. My first reaction when seeing the contents of this book is the numerous transpositions that Burgess evokes but do not make of, prefeering instead 4 completely different setups (Bf4-QGD, g3-Semi-slav, e3-Slav, Qa4-QGA) and thus many more subvariations (at least 4 more for the Slav only). Far from being a casual-player repertoire.
  
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Reply #37 - 01/27/14 at 03:21:57
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Stigma wrote on 01/27/14 at 01:52:14:
But the question then arises: Is it really more important for club players (the likely target audience for a repertoire book like Burgess') to make things difficult for the opponent than to develop a consistent style themselves?

Despite the many sidelines, Burgess' repertoire is quite ambitious in the sense that it expects White to be comfortable with lots of different types of positions and plans. But players who can do that are already strong or rapidly developing, and may as well adopt critical main lines! Maybe the ideal reader is a strong, versatile club or international player who for some reason doesn't have the time or memory to play main lines.

Personally, I use it the same way I use any other repertoire book: Mix and match, pick only the lines that appeal to me and ideally do some independent work on them.


Valid first question there. Causes as many problems for the player as for the opponent. 
A balance - be familiar with positions oneself, while also being 'tricky'.
All this is rather like suggesting swords during a bout of fisticuffs, thinking you can hurt the opponent. Forgetting that one's own head may also be lopped off.
  
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Reply #36 - 01/27/14 at 01:52:14
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But the question then arises: Is it really more important for club players (the likely target audience for a repertoire book like Burgess') to make things difficult for the opponent than to develop a consistent style themselves?

Despite the many sidelines, Burgess' repertoire is quite ambitious in the sense that it expects White to be comfortable with lots of different types of positions and plans. But players who can do that are already strong or rapidly developing, and may as well adopt critical main lines! Maybe the ideal reader is a strong, versatile club or international player who for some reason doesn't have the time or memory to play main lines.

Personally, I use it the same way I use any other repertoire book: Mix and match, pick only the lines that appeal to me and ideally do some independent work on them.
  

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Reply #35 - 01/26/14 at 23:51:45
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Consistency is not the point of Burgess' repertoire at all. For that, see Avrukh, Eingorn, etc.  Besides, the motivation for this choice is that Triangle players are not likely to know sidelines of the Catalan; they want a Noteboom, Marshall or Semi-Slav. Depriving your opponent of his preferred type of game and of the opportunity to use his special positional knowledge, without escaping into inferior lines, is Burgess' point.
  
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Reply #34 - 01/26/14 at 22:18:17
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Question : as Burgess suggests the fianchetto (5. g3) against the Triangle, is there a reason why he does not recommend the whole Catalan too against QGD and Semi-Slav? Wouldn't it be more coherent?
  
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Reply #33 - 11/30/13 at 23:16:58
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Did anyone read Arne Moll's review for ChessVibes? 

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Reply #32 - 10/16/13 at 04:51:54
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Title therefore caps. 
A simple language point.
  
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Reply #31 - 10/16/13 at 02:56:30
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Bibs wrote on 10/15/13 at 13:45:14:


In the 2013/October issue of Chess Life (published by the US Chess Federation), on page 11...
Grandmaster Ben Finegold gives a very negative review of a new opening book titled - "The Dark Knight System" by James Schuyler (about 1...Nc6 as a universal reply).

Finegold's review includes the following text, wherein he partly judges the book by its author's Elo rather than exclusively on the book's content:

If you already unfortunately play these kinds of openings or if you ... don't mind that the author is relatively weak (he is a FIDE master) then this is the book for you.


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In contrast... Huh


The NewInChess website has a webpage devoted to a new 2013 book by Graham Burgess, titled "A Cunning Chess Opening Repertoire for White" (tag line or subtitle is - "Take your opponents out of their comfort zone").

FIDE Master Graham Burgess is Gambit's Editorial Director, and one of the founders of the company. He holds the world record for marathon blitz chess playing, and lives in Minnesota. This is his 23rd chess book.


http://www.newinchess.com/A_Cunning_Chess_Opening_Repertoire_for_White-p-7225.ht...

http :// www.newinchess.com/ A_Cunning_Chess_Opening_Repertoire_for_White-p-7225.html


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Hmm, they seem to disagree whether the term 'master'/'Master' should be capitalized in the phrase - "FIDE master".
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