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cobae YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 3 Joined: 03/01/13	Re: Question about Bronstein chess annotation Reply #7 - 03/02/13 at 12:34:23	Post Tools	Print Post
	There is a passage, which comes close to the one I am looking for (in: The Sorcerer’s Apprentice): p. 180: ‘Such a lovely bishop! If there had been a few even safer squares further back along the diagonal, I would have retreated him still further!' Bronstein says this about move ‘21 … Bh6’ in the 1976 game between him an Kaplan. But this can’t be the correct passage...


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gwnn Senior Member Offline Posts: 472 Joined: 03/21/11	Re: Question about Bronstein chess annotation Reply #6 - 03/02/13 at 12:08:00	Post Tools	Print Post
	There's an early Bh8 move in the Rb1 Grünfeld but that was not a popular line in Bronstein's time..


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cobae YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 3 Joined: 03/01/13	Re: Question about Bronstein chess annotation Reply #5 - 03/02/13 at 08:37:17	Post Tools	Print Post
	I would agree that it's not obvious at all if this is meant to be a hyperbolical remark. This is part of why I am so interested if Bronstein really did make this remark, and what the definitive context is. It would be great to determine what Bronstein tried to express by making his remark. Is it just a joke, or a serious thought about what if the chessboard was extended to that point? Anyways, the remark must be in a description of a game where he could have used such informal language in the first place. I did search the web and especially a website where Bronstein chess games are stored for the key words e5 and h8, but I couldn't really get much out of it. The Sorcerer's Apprentice has some such informal parts, but I couldn't find the remark there either.


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dfan God Member Offline "When you see a bad move, look for a better one" Posts: 766 Location: Boston Joined: 10/04/05	Re: Question about Bronstein chess annotation Reply #4 - 03/01/13 at 22:17:08	Post Tools	Print Post
	200 Open Games was translated from Russian, so it was in algebraic originally. But I glanced at the original Russian edition (200 Открытых Партий) and didn't notice any reference to that move in that game, at least.


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Scarblac Full Member Offline Chess Addict Posts: 190 Location: Netherlands Joined: 09/17/07 Gender:	Re: Question about Bronstein chess annotation Reply #3 - 03/01/13 at 20:21:12	Post Tools	Print Post
	I think it's a hilarious quote, without any context like that. A search for "Bronstein Bh8" led to a few games, including this one: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1134605 , Suetin-Bronstein, 1960 (draw, 78). In that game, white plays 48.Be5-h8, and Bj10 would anyway not have been worse, in my view. Someone has that game saved in a collection "200 Open Games", so the game is probably in that book. I have the book stored away in a box in the attic, I'm not going to check. Edit: did check. The game is in there, but no such comment. Pity. I should have known, the game used descriptive notation, in which "J10" can't even be expressed.


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ErictheRed God Member Offline USCF National Master Posts: 2534 Location: USA Joined: 10/02/05	Re: Question about Bronstein chess annotation Reply #2 - 03/01/13 at 19:51:40	Post Tools	Print Post
	I'm not familiar with this particular remark, but I would guess that it's merely an appreciation for an uncommon, aesthetically pleasing retreat. I imagine a (formerly) fianchettoed Bishop on b2 that could have retreated back to g7, but instead went all the way to h8! Presumably the "extra" retreating distance made an impression on Bronstein and he made a tongue-in-cheek remark about how retreating even more (to j10) would have been still stronger.


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Uhohspaghettio God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 515 Joined: 02/23/11	Re: Question about Bronstein chess annotation Reply #1 - 03/01/13 at 19:33:45	Post Tools	Print Post
	I disagree that that's hyperbole, that's something which (I assume) would be true in the hypothetical scenario of such a square being available to move to. It would be hyperbole if he said something like: "I would have been less surprised if he had moved Bj10". It would be interesting to know if he performed hard calculation to prove that Bj10 would be better, or if he just said it as on principle and as a kind of rhetorical device.


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cobae YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 3 Joined: 03/01/13	Question about Bronstein chess annotation 03/01/13 at 08:52:29	Post Tools	Print Post
	I am looking for a chess annotation that is supposed to be said by David Bronstein. Maybe someone in this forum knows the game in which Bronstein uses the annotation I am looking for (or someone who might know it)? The annotation is something like this: ‘Bh8 I like this move a lot. Bj10 would have been even stronger.’ Bronstein plays Black in this game. He pulls his Bishop from the position e5 back to h8. The Bishop on h8 is part of his winning strategy for that game. Bj10 is a hyperbolic remark. I am not sure if all of these details are true, but at least that’s how the story has been told to me; and now I am trying to verify if this is really the way how Bronstein tells it.
	« Last Edit: 03/01/13 at 17:53:20 by cobae »

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