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Re: Are there openings everyone should play?
Reply #37 - 04/01/13 at 02:06:18
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I wholeheartedly endorse BPaulsen's comments. 

There are some things I really have no interest in playing (incidentally, the Tarrasch is one of them), but you can bet I've studied nearly all of the major openings at one time or another, and most of the "second tier" options as well, just for general education purposes. 

Having some knowledge of all of the different types of structures, piece placements and plans will go a long way!
  
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Re: Are there openings everyone should play?
Reply #36 - 03/31/13 at 23:55:58
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ChessFlash wrote on 03/31/13 at 12:04:31:
Fromper wrote on 03/31/13 at 00:46:37:

There are so many openings I know nothing about that I'm thinking maybe I should just pick random openings and try them out here and there with no study. Sure, I'll lose those games, ...


Why do you think you would lose those games?  Do you frequently win or lose games in the opening now?

Yes. I tend to play very sharp, tactical lines where one false moves means disaster. Which again brings me back to my idea of trying out some new openings. If I play quieter openings, I'm more likely to survive the opening and early middle game where knowing the opening really matters, and I'll just reach middle games where I don't know what I'm doing. Which I guess means it's time to start reading some of the books I already own on positional play.
  

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Re: Are there openings everyone should play?
Reply #35 - 03/31/13 at 12:04:31
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Fromper wrote on 03/31/13 at 00:46:37:

There are so many openings I know nothing about that I'm thinking maybe I should just pick random openings and try them out here and there with no study. Sure, I'll lose those games, ...


Why do you think you would lose those games?  Do you frequently win or lose games in the opening now?

I have lost many games when I had an advantage after the opening and won many when I was worse.  I am not saying that openings do not matter but I do believe that deep opening knowledge is overrated for class players.

Some openings are better suited to just winging it than others and this is easier to get away with as White than Black.  It is also easier in a faster time control than a slower one.  

Instead of trying to remember the right move, just think (tactics!) on every move and you will be at an advantage to your opponent in most games.  Am I oversimplifying some?  Yes, some.  

I would suggest minimal study as opposed to no study.  Play over a master game or two; review a couple of main lines and try to understand the ideas of the opening. Then go for it.  Study the result.  Rinse.  Repeat. Smiley
  
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Re: Are there openings everyone should play?
Reply #34 - 03/31/13 at 08:13:50
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It really depends Smiley There's no should involved really.

I certainly can't understand how people manage to play the same opening for years (decades?) on end. Mostly due to the boredom mind!

It must also be ultimately a little self limiting if taken too far.

An alternative option to simply playing openings at random is to vary it over time. So pick say two openings a year, prepare them a little bit over the summer and switch the next year etc. You'll cover most of the openings that you like the feel in a few.
  
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Re: Are there openings everyone should play?
Reply #33 - 03/31/13 at 00:46:37
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So on a related note to the original question, should an class level player even have an opening repertoire? 

There are so many openings I know nothing about that I'm thinking maybe I should just pick random openings and try them out here and there with no study. Sure, I'll lose those games, but I'll learn from the experience, and from studying the game afterward to see how the opening should have been played. I'm talking mostly about practice games here - I would still stick to what I know in serious tournament games, though the more I do this, the more options I'd eventually have, because I'd end up knowing a lot more openings.

Combining this with studying more master games in general, and I should become more aware of various types of openings, and the positions that result from them. Will this kind of broad knowledge help increase my overall playing strength, or will I be a better player by sticking to specific openings and just learning them really well?
  

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Re: Are there openings everyone should play?
Reply #32 - 03/28/13 at 09:59:38
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Tks to the answers. As a collector of chess books I will have a look in all of those mentioned.
  

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Re: Are there openings everyone should play?
Reply #31 - 03/28/13 at 05:49:52
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@Jupp53, not sure whether it fits your criteria but the Modern Scandinavian book (with ...Qa5) 2ed with Matthias Wahls, Karsten Muller and Hannes Langrock teaches the opening from a middlegame perspective.

I have been toying with this idea of compiling an opening repertoire based on the opening books available which teaches the opening form a middlegame perspective as a matter of accelerated learning.

The other book I can think of is Denis Yevseev's book on the French ...Nd2 as White where he focuses on the IQP positions.

Another possibility is Ivan Sokolov two books read together, namely his book on the NID (as White) coupled with his Middlegame book.
  

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Re: Are there openings everyone should play?
Reply #30 - 03/27/13 at 18:28:49
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Jupp53 wrote on 03/27/13 at 12:46:39:

What I search is an advice about strategical methods:

- The Capablanca and the Lasker manoevres are an examples of freeing the position by exchanges.
- Nimzowitsch-Indian is an example for gaining influence in the center via piece play.
- Some Gambits give time for material.


It sounds to me like what you're looking for is Pawn Structure Chess, and there is a new edition out (that I have yet to see).  

It's not a perfect book, but it comes closest to covering all standard middlegame pawn structures than any other single volume.  You'll learn much more about IQP and hanging pawn positions from Baburin's book, for instance, but those are the only positions he discusses!  And for most amateurs whose study time is limited, there isn't time to read 5-10 different volumes to get all this information.  Start with Soltis and then get more specialized works that apply to the openings you play and that you are particularly interested in.  
  
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Re: Are there openings everyone should play?
Reply #29 - 03/27/13 at 13:27:58
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Baburin's "Winning Pawn Structures" is a systematic overview of the strategies available in IQP positions, and I seem to recall that he has a separate chapter at the end about suggested openings to reach those positions. Not sure though. Anyway lots of examples in the book include the opening moves.
  
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Re: Are there openings everyone should play?
Reply #28 - 03/27/13 at 12:46:39
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Watson's series is more openings and their typical plans. Soltis maybe more what I search if it isn't too much in the line of Fine. (All good to excellent works imo.)

What I search is an advice about strategical methods:

- The Capablanca and the Lasker manoevres are an examples of freeing the position by exchanges.
- Nimzowitsch-Indian is an example for gaining influence in the center via piece play.
- Some Gambits give time for material.

So teaching strategy should be the theme and the opening should be seen as a tool to increase the probability of getting the right positions for the study of a certain strategic method. 

Mostly its the other way round. The opening line demands this strategy is always written down.
  

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Re: Are there openings everyone should play?
Reply #27 - 03/27/13 at 12:32:08
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Jupp53 wrote on 03/27/13 at 09:25:38:
This leads me to the question: There are load of opening books and they are mostly boring imo, because they tread openings as something interesting per se. (This is true for many players. All right.) Is there a book treating openings as teaching tool for a syllabus on strategies? For tactics there are some, mostly with short games. (I love Neistadt - Eröffnungsfehler und lehrreiche Kombinationen.)

I am not sure exactly what you are looking for but two works that might interest you are
  • John Watson, Mastering the Chess Openings: a four-book series exploring the subject of openings and their commonalities, rather than a detailed survey covering all of them.
  • Andrew Soltis, Pawn Structure Chess: detailing the standard plans for both sides in the usual pawn structures arising from common openings.
A couple of older complete-game collections that have specific opening themes are
  • David Bronstein, 200 Open Games
  • Edmar Mednis, Strategic Chess: Mastering the Closed Game
There are also occasional books on specific openings that have an emphasis on strategies rather than (just) variations. Rowson's Understanding the Grünfeld and Cox's The Berlin Wall come to mind as exemplars.
  
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Re: Are there openings everyone should play?
Reply #26 - 03/27/13 at 09:25:38
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Openings can be seen as a tool to educate your chess. Looking at the question of the TO this way it's a question of the syllabus which openings should be played.

And looking at myself from this point of view (FIDE-Elo 1950) there's a desert of ignorance with some living spots of knowledge:
- Play open games and gambits to learn the value of development and direct attack against the king
- Fight for the center with pawns to get a space advantage, with pieces and livers to destroy the weakend positions
- Some positions are so sharp you should know concrete lines or avoid them

And that's it.  Angry The rest are some primitive tricks picked up by playing and used to survive the opening.

This leads me to the question: There are load of opening books and they are mostly boring imo, because they tread openings as something interesting per se. (This is true for many players. All right.) Is there a book treating openings as teaching tool for a syllabus on strategies? For tactics there are some, mostly with short games. (I love Neistadt - Eröffnungsfehler und lehrreiche Kombinationen.)
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Reply #25 - 03/27/13 at 03:03:34
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RdC wrote on 03/27/13 at 00:42:43:

Generations of British juniors going back to the 1960s and probably earlier knew the Cambridge Springs cheapo, something commented on when Carlsen played that opening in the Candidates. A game between contemporaries that otherwise trundled down a QGD main line featured Be2 instead of Bd3.

White can retain space and initiative by playing Bxf6 at an early stage. The danger is that in a long game, Black's Bishop pair will eventually be a problem.


I recall the strong American master Curt Brasket falling into the version 7. Nd2 Bb4 8. Qc2 0-0 9. Bd3 against an 1800 player.

Regarding Bxf6, perhaps you're thinking about Black choosing ...dc after 7. Nd2.  I recall that 7. Bxf6 was played by Capablanca, but I think it has never been considered theoretically challenging.    
  
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Re: Are there openings everyone should play?
Reply #24 - 03/27/13 at 01:59:10
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I don't know about openings everyone should play. There's a lot of stuff that I would never play.

But study... that's something else entirely. I think everything is worth studying, particularly the big boys (Ruy Lopez, Catalan, Queen's Gambit Declined, King's Indian Defense, Open Games, Sicilian) just because all of them are so diverse and form the backbone of so many varying positions. When you hear things like "typical freeing move ...c5" (QGD), "typical Catalan edge" (good light-squared bishop versus bad), black's dark-squared control is easily worth the exchange" (KID), "black's central break disrupts white's kingside attack" (Sicilian), "<insert color>'s slow development allowed <insert color> to steal the initiative" (Open Games), and "white's typical kingside maneuvers" (Ruy Lopez) all of them do much to enhance chess understanding. Quite often just studying the various highways and byways of one of those particular openings can give insight to various other positions, and inform one as to chess in general.

I will never be caught playing the black side of the Open Games, for example, just because I don't care for the chore. There's no fun in it for me, but I have studied them a good deal. Everyone should. More than once studying something entirely unrelated to my repertoire gives me a new idea to apply to positions more within my sphere of practice.
  

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Re: Are there openings everyone should play?
Reply #23 - 03/27/13 at 00:42:43
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kylemeister wrote on 03/26/13 at 23:06:18:

That reminded me that I have sometimes had the impression that the Cambridge Springs is particularly good against low-rated Whites.  A point of comparison might be that Bd3 is a decent move .


Generations of British juniors going back to the 1960s and probably earlier knew the Cambridge Springs cheapo, something commented on when Carlsen played that opening in the Candidates. A game between contemporaries that otherwise trundled down a QGD main line featured Be2 instead of Bd3.

White can retain space and initiative by playing Bxf6 at an early stage. The danger is that in a long game, Black's Bishop pair will eventually be a problem.
  
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