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Re: Tal Memorial 2013
Reply #16 - 06/19/13 at 13:54:15
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Stigma wrote on 06/19/13 at 13:38:34:
Btw. at the very top level, where players are trying to find any small edge over their rivals, do people need to know more technical positions than you find in Dvoretsky's and Müller's books? Dvoretsky seems to think his Endgame Manual should be enough up to top GM level.

The top GMs haven't even mastered Dvoretsky, given the number of technical mistakes they make (Dvoretsky's Tragicomedy in the Endgame is a book full of them). I get the feeling that even a 2800 would improve more by being 100% accurate in Dvoretsky positions than by learning things that weren't in it.
  
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Re: Tal Memorial 2013
Reply #15 - 06/19/13 at 13:38:34
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It's a bit of a strange weakness to have at his level, essentially just a lot of stuff that must be explicitly memorized. Maybe that's just the problem; Carlsen is much better in positions where he can rely on his intuition, which relies on a very different kind of memory. Like strategic endgames, for example.

Maybe an intensive month with Dvoretsky would be a good cure!

More than ten years ago, when Peter Heine Nielsen first had a training session with Carlsen, he identified endgames (both strategic and technical I believe) as the youngster's biggest weakness. According to Carlsen's coach Agdestein, commenting at the recent Norway Chess 2013, he then told Magnus to read through Karsten Müller and Frank Lamprecht's Fundamental Chess Endings, and "after that Magnus never had any problems in endings". Now we see that's not quite true... these concrete, technical endgames must be repeated now and then, else they will fade from memory over time.

Btw. at the very top level, where players are trying to find any small edge over their rivals, do people need to know more technical positions than you find in Dvoretsky's and Müller/Lamprecht's books? Dvoretsky seems to think his Endgame Manual should be enough up to top GM level.
  

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Re: Tal Memorial 2013
Reply #14 - 06/19/13 at 10:10:15
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The problem is Anand has been playing very lacklustre chess for the last 3 or 4 years. Its hard to get out of that rut. I still give him a chance though, not only because of his match experience but because of Carlsens weaknesses in technical endgames. Twice recently Carlsen has lost drawn rook and pawn endgames that most GMs would know how to draw never mind the Worlds number one. In a 12 game match those kind of slip-ups could be catastrophic.
  
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Re: Tal Memorial 2013
Reply #13 - 06/19/13 at 08:26:01
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Well, regarding the value of the teams it may be so or not. I suppose there may be ways for the player with the weaker team to stir the match to a direction that the actual player is more important.

In analogy, we all follow similar strategies, e.g. may play variations that diminish the value of the opening so that we can have the chance to play chess later on, etc.

As for Anand, I have said my opinion in the past and imo he has good chances to retain the WCh. And what about his loss?: maybe he was playing mind games! (as ErictheRed possibly implies above) (once when I was younger, I had deliberately changed openings and then deliberately lost in a serious friendly game to disorientate a future opponent - and it worked when we played an official otb game!).
  

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Re: Tal Memorial 2013
Reply #12 - 06/18/13 at 20:51:00
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Isn't chess history replete with World Champions playing poorly in tournaments prior to a World Championship match?  I do think Carlsen is the favorite (and a fairly large one at that), but match play is much much different than tournament play.  I don't think that many of us patzers understand that; Anand and his team with have their entire energy focused on one player, they will study his tendencies, they know the schedule ahead of time, he won't be distracted by having to prepare for a dozen other people in a tournament, etc.   

I do think that Carlsen is the better player, but Anand has a lot more match experience.  And how do their teams compare?  I think that a good 50% of the outcome of a WC match can be attributed to the behind-the-scenes work, these days.
  
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Re: Tal Memorial 2013
Reply #11 - 06/18/13 at 20:23:50
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Good God, all the black pieces are crushed against the back rank. It looks like a steam roller ran over Anand.

Actually I don't think even Anand believes in the home-team advantage. On the contrary, I remember some remarks in which he said the pressure of playing a FIDE championship event in India was horrific. I think that's one reason he chose to play in Sofia; let Topalov experience that pressure. The fact that he is playing in India suggests to me that he is, consciously or unconsiously, in a valedictory mood, and wishes to give something back to Chennai now, while he can.
  
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Re: Tal Memorial 2013
Reply #10 - 06/18/13 at 19:37:38
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It was indeed very impressive, but I still give Anand a shout.
  
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Re: Tal Memorial 2013
Reply #9 - 06/18/13 at 17:09:03
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Wow. That doesn't bode well for the home team in November.
  
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Reply #8 - 06/18/13 at 13:13:21
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a very quick win for Carlsen against Anand:


I don't see how Anand can 'prepare' for things like this, he just has to make the right decisions at the board

you can see the press conference with Magnus (in English and Russian) on http://online.russiachess.org/#2013/06/tal2013/round5/Carlsen,%20Magnus:Anand,%2... (starting at 15:05:00)
  
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Re: Tal Memorial 2013
Reply #7 - 06/16/13 at 16:34:21
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With his win against Carlsen, Caruana moved to #3 on the rating list.  He's about one win away from making it past 2800.
  

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Re: Tal Memorial 2013
Reply #6 - 06/15/13 at 17:08:48
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and today Carlsen lost (to Caruana) and Anand won against Morozevich
will be interesting to see their game on Tuesday
  
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Re: Tal Memorial 2013
Reply #5 - 06/14/13 at 08:25:21
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Anand not losing to Gelfand I still don't understand. The match was there for the taking and Anand has been playing stale chess for the last few years. Having said all that, I can see how he might wake up for the Carlsen match. By the way the one thing I disagree about Kasparov is all this ageism stuff - Kasparov himself retired too early probably because of this attitude - "chess is a young mans game" etc. The oldies are not short of a few tricks either.
  
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Re: Tal Memorial 2013
Reply #4 - 06/13/13 at 20:51:18
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ErictheRed wrote on 06/13/13 at 19:25:41:
But a match is much different than a tournament, and Anand will have his entire team preparing for only one player.

But I wonder if you can really prepare for Carlsen. You can prepare openings but Carlsen games tend to leave theory fairly soon, so...
  
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Re: Tal Memorial 2013
Reply #3 - 06/13/13 at 19:25:41
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tony37 wrote on 06/13/13 at 17:02:28:
Kasparov said somewhere that the world championship won't be an easy ride for Carlsen, after today (Carlsen winning against Kramnik, Anand losing to Caruana) I have serious doubts about that.


I have little doubt that at this moment in time Carlsen is a better player than Anand, especially considering his youth and energy.  But a match is much different than a tournament, and Anand will have his entire team preparing for only one player.  It will be a different sort of challenge for Carlsen than he's used to; we'll see how he handles it.

I hope that he wins and that we can move on to the next era in chess, led by the younger generation.   
  
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Re: Tal Memorial 2013
Reply #2 - 06/13/13 at 17:38:47
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An entertaining 1st round!

Nakamura-Mamedyarov:

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Black to play and win!


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Black has an edge (bishop pair, space, better coordination) and went on to win.


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In this complicated endgame White is a pawn up. Nevertheless it looks like Black has decent drawing chances. But Kramnik now somewhat lost his patience and forced things with 42...h4 exchanging his h-pawn for the white f-pawn with a resulting 2 against 1 race.

Now some moves later, Kramnik decided to exchange rooks to try to hold in the pure bishop ending:

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44...Rf6(?) 45.Rf6+-

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Carlsen went on to win...
  
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