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Re: Attacking Repertoire e4
Reply #14 - 06/24/13 at 18:51:40
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FM To Be wrote on 06/24/13 at 16:58:42:
Thank you for your detailed responses Smiley

Trainers and GMs in general advice developing players to start out playing gambits/open games to develop fundamental skills and so on..

Based on that common advice and the recomendations you guys have given, I conclude that its probably best for me to:

- Ditch the Morra gambit since its commonly declained and the Open sicilians already give good attacking chances/instructive value.

- Ditch the BDG since its a dubious weapon and the main lines agains the Scandinavian already provide an active/ instructive kind of game.

- Keep the Monte Carlo for the time being as a training tool, but looking to replace it for a more challenging continuation in the not too distant future.

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I wanted to point out that , if you are comfortable playing Monte-Carlo Exchange French and the Panov-Botvinnik, then you are already done with the Nf6 Scandinavian:
1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.c4 and now either 3...e6 or 3...c6 meet with d2-d4.

As a former player of Scandinavian Nf6, I can say truthfully that after 3...e6, 4.d4 was very very rare, but i did not enjoy seeing it and i did not specially prepare anything due to its rarity.

I think the c4 exchange French is OK.  Maurice Ashley and Josh Waitzkin did well with it in the 1990s when they gained the GM and IM titles respectively.  It does resemble a QGA where usually Black will be smart enough to hold off on dxc4 until after Bd3 to win a tempo.  But one tempo is not the end of the world and it's good to have experience in such positions.  As you said, you can swap it out later and I think that's a good plan.

I was frankly amazed that Panov-Botvinnik drew criticism as a repertoire choice considering your criteria.  Glad you're keeping it.  Best of luck.
  

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Re: Attacking Repertoire e4
Reply #13 - 06/24/13 at 16:58:42
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Thank you for your detailed responses Smiley

Trainers and GMs in general advice developing players to start out playing gambits/open games to develop fundamental skills and so on..

Based on that common advice and the recomendations you guys have given, I conclude that its probably best for me to:

- Ditch the Morra gambit since its commonly declained and the Open sicilians already give good attacking chances/instructive value.

- Ditch the BDG since its a dubious weapon and the main lines agains the Scandinavian already provide an active/ instructive kind of game.

- Keep the Monte Carlo for the time being as a training tool, but looking to replace it for a more challenging continuation in the not too distant future.

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Re: Attacking Repertoire e4
Reply #12 - 06/21/13 at 05:44:45
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My thoughts. Caveat emptor: I prefer 1.d4! Mainly this is my perspective from preparing against 1.e4.

e5: Learn the Ruy Lopez. (I was about to say "or Scotch", but White is often playing for structure and Black is often the one who is active.) Or get with the 8.Bd3 trend against the Two Knights - it's a little crazy, but ambitious. Evan's Gambit is okay, but I'd stay away from gambits like the Danish, Goering, and King's Gambit; they're easily neutralized in modern chess. Probably the biggest barrier to progress is overcoming the mindset of feeling you need to attack at every turn.

c5: Open Sicilian. If you relish attacking, then there's no excuse to avoid this. Maybe the Grand Prix or Smith-Morra as a BACKUP. Once again, the Smith-Morra is the type of gambit that can be neutralized by declining (3...Nf6) as it becomes a main line c3 Sicilian (and that's becoming a bit played out IMO).

c6: Advance or main line. Panov is good for study of IQP middlegames, but there are some forcing lines that are really becoming played out. I'd rather play IQPs via 1.d4 these days!

e6: 3.Nc3 main lines. Monte Carlo Exchange is kind of like an inferior 1.d4 opening. If you play sidelines like this, it would be better to play 1.d4 for attacking chess.

d6: Austrian Attack or the flexible 4.Be3

Nf6: Modern (4.Nf3) or Exchange - I wouldn't get crazy against sidelines. A solid position in the center is a good foundation for an attack.

d5: Play the main lines against sidelines. They're just good. And you attack from good positions. Play BDG if you're not serious, but you may want to take a peek at Avrukh's GM 11 before you do.
  
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Re: Attacking Repertoire e4
Reply #11 - 06/19/13 at 14:59:31
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Eric, it is great advice, and you're not even the first person to have suggested it. Sometimes people just need to be ready to hear the advice.

My main problem with the repertoire is that it claims to be instructive and aggressive but in reality it avoids the critical continuations, giving Black relatively easy play in many cases. 

If you want a testing line against the Sicilian, you pretty much have to play one of the Open variations. There is plenty of room for imaginative play there without following known lines 20 moves deep. The Exchange French is really unambitious, as others have said. That is a really hard way to try to win points as white.

  
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Re: Attacking Repertoire e4
Reply #10 - 06/19/13 at 07:34:55
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MarkG wrote on 06/18/13 at 21:26:27:

Maybe it is because I am of a certain age, but I think that is one of the best pieces of advice ever given on this forum. Bravo Eric.


I've given it quite a few times before, people just don't listen.   

I heard it first many years ago from William Hartston.  After playing 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 he wrote: "When Larsen plays an unusual opening for surprise value, it often happens that such an opening becomes fashionable simply because his admirers begin to copy him and thus start a trend.  This must be wrong of course, since nothing fashionable can be a surprise.  My recommendation is to copy what Larsen was playing five or ten years ago; by now it is out of fashion again and the surprise element is back in business."   

It's also related to the idea of having "your own" theory, your own opinion about openings.
  
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Re: Attacking Repertoire e4
Reply #9 - 06/18/13 at 23:51:12
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MarkG wrote on 06/18/13 at 21:26:27:
ErictheRed wrote on 06/18/13 at 21:07:19:

See what everyone at your club plays, and then choose something else!  That's what I'd recommend.  But make sure they're sound lines with high pedigrees, whether or not they're popular any more.  I'm sure that the aggressive lines that Kasparov, Ivanchuk, Shirov, Anand, Gelfand, Short, Bareev, and Timman (some of the top-10 players in July of 1992, for instance), are not "unsound."  Moving a little further down the list, you could find what players like Knaak, Gurevich, Sokolov, Nunn, Vaganian, Epishin, Dreev, Piket, Ljubojevic, Portisch, Kengis, etc. were playing back then--all top 50 players in the world.  Those players were not playing junk; pick the aggressive lines from their games and bring them back into practice!   


Maybe it is because I am of a certain age, but I think that is one of the best pieces of advice ever given on this forum. Bravo Eric.


Agree, very sensible!
  
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Re: Attacking Repertoire e4
Reply #8 - 06/18/13 at 21:26:27
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ErictheRed wrote on 06/18/13 at 21:07:19:

See what everyone at your club plays, and then choose something else!  That's what I'd recommend.  But make sure they're sound lines with high pedigrees, whether or not they're popular any more.  I'm sure that the aggressive lines that Kasparov, Ivanchuk, Shirov, Anand, Gelfand, Short, Bareev, and Timman (some of the top-10 players in July of 1992, for instance), are not "unsound."  Moving a little further down the list, you could find what players like Knaak, Gurevich, Sokolov, Nunn, Vaganian, Epishin, Dreev, Piket, Ljubojevic, Portisch, Kengis, etc. were playing back then--all top 50 players in the world.  Those players were not playing junk; pick the aggressive lines from their games and bring them back into practice!   


Maybe it is because I am of a certain age, but I think that is one of the best pieces of advice ever given on this forum. Bravo Eric.
  
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Re: Attacking Repertoire e4
Reply #7 - 06/18/13 at 21:07:19
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Agree that the OP should just play the Open Sicilian.  Some early f2-f4 lines might be recommended, a la Beating the Sicilian 3 some years ago.  

Against the French, why not some of the more aggressive but sound gambits?  For instance, there is the "universal Gambit," or "Korchnoi Gambit" I think it's called in the Tarrasch.  With 3.Nc3 you can play 3...Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bc de 6.Qg4 (more or less sound), and against 3...Nf6 4.Bg5 Be7 5.e5 Nfd7 6.h4.  The "Monte Carlo Exchange" is just nothing for White; at best, White gets a slightly inferior version of the Queen's Gambit Accepted with 3.e3 e5.  

Against the Caro I'd suggest the Advance with 4.Nc3 and throwing the Kingside pawns at Black's light-squared Bishop (see John Nunn's games, for instance).  Or perhaps the classical 3.Nc3 de 4.Nxe4 Bf5 5.Ng3 Bg6, and choose one of the lines that combine Bc4, N1e2-f4, and h2-h4.  Black is OK in those but he really needs to know exactly what to do or could end up dead in a dozen moves, and the various move orders make things somewhat tricky for the second player.  Even if Black plays everything correctly the game is just equal; White isn't down material or anything.

You know what I would recommend, really?  Pick the aggressive lines that were popular by top GMs 20 years ago.  The vast majority of the time those lines are still sound and they have excellent surprise value.  Top GMs moved on because they were well-investigated, but down below IM level these lines can score extremely well.  And you're still playing good chess!  Normally it's just "well-worked out chess," but the well-worked out part doesn't often trickle down to the amateur level.  How many amateurs have hundreds of back issues of Informator?  You aren't going to surprise anyone with the 150 Attack these days, for instance--I'd try something else.

See what everyone at your club plays, and then choose something else!  That's what I'd recommend.  But make sure they're sound lines with high pedigrees, whether or not they're popular any more.  I'm sure that the aggressive lines that Kasparov, Ivanchuk, Shirov, Anand, Gelfand, Short, Bareev, and Timman (some of the top-10 players in July of 1992, for instance), are not "unsound."  Moving a little further down the list, you could find what players like Knaak, Gurevich, Sokolov, Nunn, Vaganian, Epishin, Dreev, Piket, Ljubojevic, Portisch, Kengis, etc. were playing back then--all top 50 players in the world.  Those players were not playing junk; pick the aggressive lines from their games and bring them back into practice!
  
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Re: Attacking Repertoire e4
Reply #6 - 06/18/13 at 18:41:59
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FM To Be wrote on 06/14/13 at 03:32:04:

Against The French
- Monte Carlo Exchange Variation


I can understand why you would choose this given the rest of your proposed repertoire, but as a French Defender I'm always happy to see this line.  White just gets a Queen's Gambit Accepted a tempo down as far as I can see.

Which is not to say I haven't lost against it, but anyhoo as White I think I'd be making a different choice against 1 ... e6.  Then again, it's your repertoire, not mine.
  

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Re: Attacking Repertoire e4
Reply #5 - 06/17/13 at 01:19:53
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Here's a simple, aggressive line vs the Scandinavian.   

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Re: Attacking Repertoire e4
Reply #4 - 06/16/13 at 14:46:35
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I agree with Edgy on the Morra vs. the Open Sicilian, especially as you are not obliged to play main lines. But even then Dismantling the Sicilian might do.
You might also consult this:

http://kenilworthian.blogspot.com/2010/01/five-easy-pieces-open-sicilian.html

It doesn't offer a complete repertoire, but it might give you a few ideas. The nice thing about the Open Sicilian is White's wide choice, something that's absent in the Morra.

On the Scandinavian:

1.e4 d5  2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qa5 4.d4 Nf6 5.Nf3
a) 5...Bg4 6.h3 Bh5 7.g4 Bg6 8.Ne5 e6 9.Bg2 or 8...c6 9.Bc4.
b) 5...c6 6.Bc4 Bg4 7.h3 Bh5 8.g4 Bg6 9.Ne5 e6 10.Bd2.
c) 5...c6 6.Bc4 Bf5 7.Ne5 e6 8.g4 Bg6 9.Bd2.
d) 5...Bf5 6.Ne5 (not 6.Bc4 e6 and Black won't play ...c6) c6 7.Bc4 e6 8.g4.

In case of 3...Qd6 and 3...Qd8 White has the same plan. Black has several deviations like Anderssen's 3...Qa5 and 4...e5 or Bronstein's 3...Qd6 and 5...a6. But compare these lines with the most important defence against the BDG: 1.d4 d5 2.e4 dxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 c6 5.Bc4 exf3 6.Nxf3 Bf5 7.Ne5 e6 and 8.g4 loses. After 8.O-O Bg6 the halfopen f-file and the slightly passive Qd8 do not provide enough compensation - White doesn't even have an extra tempo, while in the Scandinavian version f2-f4-f5 is an aggressive option.

The easy way to meet 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 is 3.Bb5+ Bd7 (Nbd7) 4.Bc4 Bg4 (b5) 5.f3 Bf5 6.Nc3 Nbd7 7.d4 Nb6 8.Bb5+ Bd7 9.Bd3 giving the pawn back and intending c2-c4 and (after Ne2 and O-O) f3-f4-f5.
  

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Re: Attacking Repertoire e4
Reply #3 - 06/16/13 at 03:51:31
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Seems to me the main lines against the Scandinavian are plenty active for White.

Also, I'd like to seriously suggest that playing normal Open Sicilians right from the start will be much more instructive than the Morra, especially since many opponents will decline.
  

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Re: Attacking Repertoire e4
Reply #2 - 06/15/13 at 23:44:46
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Well its not that I want to play the BDG "per se", its just that I dont know of any other system against the Scandinavian which could fit the categories aggressive and instructive at the same time, any ideas?
  
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Re: Attacking Repertoire e4
Reply #1 - 06/14/13 at 07:45:00
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I find it weird to meet the Scandinavian with the BDG. If you like the BDG, you should probably play 1.d4

If you want to play 1.e4 and are willing to play very actively and gambits, I'd advise to buy "Gambiteer I" by Nigel Davies. With his repertoire recommandations, you'll play agressive and tactical games. Up to 1800-1900 Elo, I'm also confident that you'll very often surprise and outplay most of your opponents. Above this Elo range, you'll probably want to refine your opening, but that's another topic!
  
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Attacking Repertoire e4
06/14/13 at 03:32:04
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Hello there!

Im trying to build an e4 repertoire which is both aggressive and instructive, first of all to serve as a training tool to establish a good foundation of chess skills and secondly to be useful in tournament practice against players from 1200 - 2000 ELO range.

Instructive: To practice the use of the iniciative, tempi, tactical motifs, the calculation of variations, as well as concentration in general. 

Aggressive: To put pressure on the opponent, help him make mistakes, improve the chances of delivering a tactical blow and in general become an "uncomfortable" player to meet.

Against e5, depending on Blacks choices
- Accelerated Danish Gambit
- Urusov Gambit
- Max Lange Attack
- Morphy Attack

Against The Sicilian
- Morra Gambit

Against The French
- Monte Carlo Exchange Variation

Against The Caro Khan
- Panov Botvinnik Attack

Against The Pirc/Modern
- 150 Attack

Against The Scandinavian
- Blackmar Diemer Gambit

Against The Alekhine
- 4 Pawns Attack

I think maybe there are some difficult to play or dubious variations in there, BDG/4PA for example, which could be considered bad choices, although I think it can be afforted if they are instructive and are useful against the range of opposition I mentioned earlier.

But anyway I would like to know the opinion of such knowledgeable people such as you who discuss opening theory here, so if you have any comments, suggestions or experiences about your own opening repertoire, it would be great to hear them.  Smiley
  
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