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Re: what constitutes development
Reply #5 - 07/08/13 at 12:33:14
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I do agree with one of your points: What counts as development is not only whether the piece has moved away from its home square. I remember learning a lesson from Yusupov where he claimed in a certain position that White's knight on e2 was not really developed, since it was badly placed there. Therefore, White should play Ne2-g3, which he called a development move. However, that does not mean that Ng1-e2-g3 would count as two development moves, but rather that Ng1-e2 was not a development move, while Ne2-g3 was. Putting your point to the extreme, one could claim that White could follow up with Ng3-h1, and that the manoeuvre Ng1-e2-g3-h1 would count as three development moves! I hope you wouldn't agree about that...

Furthermore, even if you use a classic, generalized way of counting developed pieces, I wonder how you can claim that Black does not have a lead in development after 9.Bxb5+ Bd7 10.Bxd7+ Qxd7. Using the generalized way of counting which I learned as a child, White has two development points (one developed piece, and he has the move), while Black has four (three developed pieces, and the bishop is free to move). More sophistically, you could say that Qd7 does not count as a fully developed piece (it might prefer to be on c6, for example), but it is still better than having it on d8, since Black is now free to put a rook there, which he almost certainly wants to do. Also, Black's knights may be better placed than White's, since Black can easily chase White's knight away by f5, while White can hardly play c4 to chase Black's away.

Finally, Black's compensation for the pawn is not only based on a lead in development, but also on the pressure against White's d-pawn. White will probably have to play d4 soon, after which that pawn will be very hard to defend.
  
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Re: what constitutes development
Reply #4 - 07/08/13 at 12:31:29
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I don't think these rather abstract concepts of what constitutes development and what does not are really helpful.  I think even in the early opening concrete thinking is much more important than a general concept of development. In some cases the merits of getting a piece to certain square will outweigh the time factor in other cases it won't ...
  
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Re: what constitutes development
Reply #3 - 07/08/13 at 10:18:22
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If we can  define the move sequence Nf3/Ne1/Nd3 as  developing moves then the understanding of  development must  change.

Change it if you wish, and if your theory is correct your results will improve against non-believers. Personally I'm more inclined to prefer to have pieces on their best or least worst squares and if that's the starting square, it's a saved tempo. I'd see development rather more as a question of getting pieces to their best squares and generating threats as quickly as possible.
  
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Re: what constitutes development
Reply #2 - 07/08/13 at 08:27:46
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Re: what constitutes development
Reply #1 - 07/07/13 at 20:32:45
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what constitutes development
07/07/13 at 09:38:35
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I'd like to propose a new concept of development. When dealing with Knights if it takes a minimum number of moves for a Knight to occupy a given square, each move is a developing move e.g. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nd4 6.c3 b5 7.Bf1 Nxd5 8.Ne4 Ne6.

If we only define development  as moving a piece away from its original square, then Black does not have a lead in development so that 9.Bxb5ch Bd7 10.Bxf7ch Qxd7 should be good for White; however, if we recognize the true situation. Black has  spent five moves developing his Knights to good square so that if we define time this new way, Black has four tempos for  his gambit pawn which means he has excellent compensation for the  pawn.

A more sophisticated example is the following. What is the minimum number of moves it takes for the Queen Knight  to occupy the f2 square? Nc3/Na4/b3/Nb2/Queen  move/Nd1/f3/Nf2. Every one  of White's moves  is  a developing move. If we can  define the move sequence Nf3/Ne1/Nd3 as  developing moves then the understanding of  development must  change.
  
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