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Anand by +3    
  1 (1.3%)
Anand by +2    
  1 (1.3%)
Anand by +1    
  11 (14.1%)
The Match is Drawn    
  1 (1.3%)
Carlsen by +1    
  25 (32.1%)
Carlsen by +2    
  30 (38.5%)
Carlsen by +3    
  6 (7.7%)
Anand by more than +3    
  0 (0.0%)
Carlsen by more than +3    
  3 (3.8%)




Total votes: 78
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #133 - 11/16/13 at 17:46:22
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Gerry1970 wrote on 11/16/13 at 17:03:46:
When I saw the press conference yesterday, it looked to me as though Anand was devastated - didn't know what hit him kind of devastated. He really needed to get a draw today to steady the ship. I worry now it will be a blowout which is a sad way to go for a champion.

Gerry


I get the same impression, there may just be three games left of this match. To even attempt to level the score Anand really must hit the random button hard while avoiding all rook endings...
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #132 - 11/16/13 at 17:03:46
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When I saw the press conference yesterday, it looked to me as though Anand was devastated - didn't know what hit him kind of devastated. He really needed to get a draw today to steady the ship. I worry now it will be a blowout which is a sad way to go for a champion.

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Reply #131 - 11/16/13 at 16:10:51
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I'd love to see a Carlsen - Kramnik match, assuming that Carlsen wraps this up.  In my opinion barring some years where his health wasn't good, Kramnik has been the best player in the "post-Kasparov" world (not that I'm really good enough to judge)!  In fact while I'm glad Carlsen is getting his shot, I personally thought that Kramnik should have won the tiebreaks in the Candidates'--why give it to the player with the most losses?

Anyhow I'm still not sure that Kramnik could beat Carlsen, but I'd at least feel more like I was seeing the two best players in the world going at it.  And while Anand is an incredible player and has had an amazing career, I don't think many people would consider him one of the two best players in the world these last few years.  

Of course besides Kramnik there's always Aronian, Caruana, Grischuk, even Nakamura these days, so we'll see who gets the next shot at the title.  I'm actually not too familiar with Aronian's play, but I wouldn't mind Carlsen - Caruana, either.

P.s. I'm going to go study some rook endings.  Poor Anand in game 6; that looks exactly like the kind of game I would have lost and not known how in the world it happened.  And I used to think I was pretty good at rook endings!
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #130 - 11/16/13 at 15:25:48
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Study rook endgames! - Game 5 and 6 - the better rook endgame player won:





Well... looks like nothing can stop Carlsen now...
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #129 - 11/16/13 at 15:11:14
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I thought Anand could draw today whatever he played but he found a way to lose Sad

I voted for Anand +1 but now I dont think is is that kind of realistic result anymore.
  
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Reply #128 - 11/16/13 at 14:45:28
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Agreed - Kramnik in particular doesn't seem to suffer from any fear factor when he plays Carlsen.
  
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Reply #127 - 11/16/13 at 14:42:23
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Typical Carlsen again, putting the opponent under consistent pressure until there is a crack. Certainly Anand has not shown good form for quite some time and I guess this is what we see here. I believe Aronian or Kramnik would do much better in similar situations at the moment.
  

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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #126 - 11/16/13 at 14:38:40
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fling wrote on 11/16/13 at 14:25:37:
Ouch. I agree, he is not defending well. But Carlsen at least is creative.


yes, Carlsen always plays to the end but it is Anand who is allowing him opportunities. As a lot of the GM commentary said - play b3 and give up the c-pawn then the R and pawn endgame all on the same side is drawn. It is sad to see this but to be honest Anand doesn't deserve to be World ch after games like these.
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #125 - 11/16/13 at 14:25:37
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Ouch. I agree, he is not defending well. But Carlsen at least is creative.
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #124 - 11/16/13 at 14:21:05
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This is unbelievable. He could have just played b3 earlier and just swapped down to a drawn position.

This is not the Anand we know, who defends accurately in technical endgames. Its looking like a changing of the guard....but its sad to see the manner of this self-destruction from Anand.
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #123 - 11/16/13 at 14:13:56
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Once again, Anand made several dubious choices in the endgame, then blitzed out a blunder with plenty of time left on the clock. He went from drawing comfortably to fighting for a draw, to losing in a very short span. 

I didn't believe the talk that Anand was afraid of Carlsen until these last two games. He isn't giving himself the chance to fight. It's not tiredness or age that causes such mistakes. It's either over-confidence or a complete lack of confidence. I'm betting it's the latter.
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #122 - 11/16/13 at 14:06:30
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Anand in trouble
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #121 - 11/16/13 at 13:26:07
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Have the feeling this R+pawn ending must be drawn, but Carlsen will try to torture him as normal.
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #120 - 11/16/13 at 13:20:13
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wouldn't surprise me if Anand tries 1.d4 next game
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #119 - 11/16/13 at 13:17:31
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I thought White had a slight advantage from the opening, I go away and come back and Anand is a pawn down in a Rook + pawn ending ....again! Lets see if he can hold this one.
  
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