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Anand by +3 1 (1.3%) Anand by +2 1 (1.3%) Anand by +1 11 (14.1%) The Match is Drawn 1 (1.3%) Carlsen by +1 25 (32.1%) Carlsen by +2 30 (38.5%) Carlsen by +3 6 (7.7%) Anand by more than +3 0 (0.0%) Carlsen by more than +3 3 (3.8%) Total votes: 78 « Created by: TalJechin on: 09/24/13 at 08:40:59 »

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Viking God Member Offline Posts: 673 Location: Norway Joined: 10/12/04 Gender:	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #148 - 11/18/13 at 13:34:04	Post Tools	Print Post
	It would be interesting to see carlsens preparation against d4. According to my database anand has never won with d4 against magnus so may that may be another mental barrier anand is facing before entering that territory. I also believe that anand wanted a risk free game today with draw as a likely outcome. As it has turned out in this match playing with black is not any particular disadvantage and "wasting" another white is not that important. And yes I assume he is worried about keeping a potential loss to the minimum. Thus I doubt we will see anything drastic try like the kings gambit, evans or similar.


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MartinC God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 2115 Joined: 07/24/06	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #147 - 11/18/13 at 12:29:03	Post Tools	Print Post
	Suspect he was happy to kill this game after the two previous ones. It certainly looked that way. If he can survive the next game in decent shape then maybe a small chance if the pressure starts to get to Carlsen. Also of course worth keeping the match score reasonable/self respect.


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bragesjo God Member Offline CCE at ICCF 2021 and CCM at ICCF 2023 Posts: 1839 Location: Eskilstuna Joined: 06/30/06 Gender:	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #146 - 11/18/13 at 12:28:39	Post Tools	Print Post
	An new draw in Berlin, Anand should consider something else and maybee something that not fashion like Spanish Four Knights? Or gamble with Kings Gambit or perhpas even open with 1 d4?


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lnn2 God Member Offline Posts: 1504 Location: nc Joined: 09/22/04	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #145 - 11/18/13 at 11:45:47	Post Tools	Print Post
	Seems surprising to me that Anand chose to go for the Berlin again instead of trying 1. d4... its like Kasparov-Kramnik all over again


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Dink Heckler God Member Offline Love-Forty Posts: 902 Joined: 02/01/07 Gender:	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #144 - 11/18/13 at 11:28:52	Post Tools	Print Post
	I don't think this is a sad end to Anand's tenure; his performance against Gelfand left a strong impression that he was only keeping the seat warm.

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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #143 - 11/17/13 at 18:40:49	Post Tools	Print Post
	I wouldn't have thought before the match it was possible for Anand to lose an endgame like that, but you are right - there is an element of psychology coming into play here.


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MartinC God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 2115 Joined: 07/24/06	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #142 - 11/17/13 at 08:29:51	Post Tools	Print Post
	Cracking under pressure rather than purely self destructing though. You'd have backed Carlsen before the match to win one or two games precisely like this. Not that it might not turn quite ugly now. Hope not.


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SutterCane Full Member Offline I recognize terror in chess as the finest emotion! Posts: 122 Location: Germany Joined: 01/04/03 Gender:	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #141 - 11/16/13 at 23:57:51	Post Tools	Print Post
	http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/products/1/124/the_king 7th game: Kings Gambit

	I recognize terror as the finest emotion in a chessgame and so I will try to terrorize my opponent. But if I find that I cannot terrify, I will try to horrify, and if I find that I cannot horrify ...
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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #140 - 11/16/13 at 23:02:33	Post Tools	Print Post
	Its the manner of the change thats sad, Anand self-destructing.


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ReneDescartes God Member Offline Qu'est-ce donc que je suis? Une chose qui pense. Posts: 1240 Joined: 05/17/10 Gender:	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #139 - 11/16/13 at 22:20:29	Post Tools	Print Post
	To me it's not that sad, unless the change of generations is always sad. Anand's play was not that terrible. Capablanca, Botvinnik, and many other great players sometimes got demoralized and lost the next one after a hard loss. Anand did that here--but he is more than capable of the opposite, as he showed against Topalov and Gelfand. It just wasn't his day today. Probably he was too shaken from the start, and if we were inside his nervous system we would see that he had no choice but to try to play quietly today. Carlsen has been doing this to a lot of the world's best lately--like Karjakin and Aronian, who recently lost drawn positions after prolonged pressure by Carlsen. Lasker and Karpov did it to people as well--Tarrasch thought everyone played worse around Lasker, who just saw incredible details in endgames--remember the Reti-study-like draw against Tarrasch? I think today it was a case of "there's no flying hence, nor tarrying here."


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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #138 - 11/16/13 at 21:45:21	Post Tools	Print Post
	Anand was clearly devastated in the press conference, he did not expect lose that endgame. And he shouldn't have but somehow managed it!! I don't blame him at all for his reaction. Its a sad end to his World ch tenure, I only hope he can produce at least one good game now before the end to say "look - thats what I can do".


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dfan God Member Offline "When you see a bad move, look for a better one" Posts: 766 Location: Boston Joined: 10/04/05	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #137 - 11/16/13 at 19:49:13	Post Tools	Print Post
	Viking wrote on 11/16/13 at 18:29:56: Agree. At the same time the match is followed by a lot not having a clue what chess is really about - so stupid questions do come up. I think Anands reacted naturally after a second loss and being frustrated and disappointed. I was surprised that Anand got snippy there since he's usually so calm and friendly, but it was a pretty stupid question. Quote: Ok, he did a blunder in the endgame but to be me the big question is why he played Qg3 going into an inferior endgame being a pawn down instead of just manouvering around. Yeah, that was weird. One of the commentators said he thought that Anand might have thought that the rook ending a pawn down would be a fairly straightforward draw that he could just play according to general principles, while a Q+R ending would require lots of actual calculation every move. Carlsen said in the press conference that Anand "sacrificed or maybe blundered" the pawn, so it seems the reason wasn't so clear to him either. Someone asked him about Qg3 at the press conference and I was interested in hearing his reasoning, but he just said something like "Sometimes it is just not your day."


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Viking God Member Offline Posts: 673 Location: Norway Joined: 10/12/04 Gender:	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #136 - 11/16/13 at 18:29:56	Post Tools	Print Post
	Agree. At the same time the match is followed by a lot not having a clue what chess is really about - so stupid questions do come up. I think Anands reacted naturally after a second loss and being frustrated and disappointed. Ok, he did a blunder in the endgame but to be me the big question is why he played Qg3 going into an inferior endgame being a pawn down instead of just manouvering around. I think anand is seeing ghosts and lack confidence in himself thinking carlsen can do his magic in every position to keep game going, improving and improving his position and finally win in the end (which he did although with some help).


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gwnn Senior Member Offline Posts: 472 Joined: 03/21/11	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #135 - 11/16/13 at 18:08:16	Post Tools	Print Post
	lnn2 wrote on 11/16/13 at 18:05:09: "Doing your best means doing your best. I don't know why you don't understand English" - Anand He was asked awful questions, what can he do? They should leave him alone after such a loss and ask Carlsen instead.


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lnn2 God Member Offline Posts: 1504 Location: nc Joined: 09/22/04	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #134 - 11/16/13 at 18:05:09	Post Tools	Print Post
	"Doing your best means doing your best. I don't know why you don't understand English" - Anand


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