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Anand by +3    
  1 (1.3%)
Anand by +2    
  1 (1.3%)
Anand by +1    
  11 (14.1%)
The Match is Drawn    
  1 (1.3%)
Carlsen by +1    
  25 (32.1%)
Carlsen by +2    
  30 (38.5%)
Carlsen by +3    
  6 (7.7%)
Anand by more than +3    
  0 (0.0%)
Carlsen by more than +3    
  3 (3.8%)




Total votes: 78
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #193 - 11/21/13 at 12:22:28
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Anand has spent over 1/2 hr now on this one move, behind on the clock.....
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #192 - 11/21/13 at 12:18:12
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tony37 wrote on 11/21/13 at 12:16:39:
h4, h5, Qf4, f6 and white wins, or something like that

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It's likely the 'something like that' aspect of it that Anand is taking so long over....
Yeah, does look like the position should be killing.
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #191 - 11/21/13 at 12:16:39
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h4, h5, Qf4, f6 and white wins, or something like that
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #190 - 11/21/13 at 12:15:10
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Anand is taking forever on this one, his time advantage is going to disappear. I guess he thinks it worth it, looks like a critical moment.
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #189 - 11/21/13 at 12:10:14
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the engine is wrong, Anand just has to attack like a human (with engine blunder check enabled Smiley)
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #188 - 11/21/13 at 12:08:59
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Keano wrote on 11/21/13 at 12:05:51:
The engine could be right. But can Carlsen defend like an engine?

Maybe he can!

With 22...b3 he's certainly heading down that path!
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #187 - 11/21/13 at 12:08:44
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tony37 wrote on 11/21/13 at 12:05:31:

how about 23.h4 ?


Looks OK to me.
Or 23.Qf4!? 

Anand taking a long time over this one, I think its because he has so many alternatives.
  
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Reply #186 - 11/21/13 at 12:05:51
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The engine could be right. But can Carlsen defend like an engine?

Maybe he can!
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #185 - 11/21/13 at 12:05:31
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Keano wrote on 11/21/13 at 11:52:41:
Forget the engine, this looks impossible for a human to defend - IMO.

I tend to agree with this
also, when I make some natural attacking moves Houdini is quickly 'converted' to the white side
how about 23.h4 ?
  
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Reply #184 - 11/21/13 at 12:02:02
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Oh, I'm mostly only interested in the engine from the perspective of how they've lined one up that's producing such nonsense Smiley

They seem to be running it for a very short time then leaving the line of anaylsis generated in view, multiple ply deep. Its a bit annoying really. Would be much better without it. (Or if they must do it, then do it properly with multiple lines, updating etc.).

I suspect even a engine would normally be at least a bit worried by now.
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #183 - 11/21/13 at 12:00:24
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That pawn on b3 is a bit of a nuisance mind  Wink 

But what about Nh5 now - it looks fantastic, there will be sacs on f6 or g7.
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #182 - 11/21/13 at 11:53:39
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Yes, I wondered when I heard Lawrence say on commentary yesterday that Carlsen had a great poker face. Although to be fair he frequently looks what would be terrible in other players. But I agree this is his ‘trouble’, or at least ‘danger’, mode.
  
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Reply #181 - 11/21/13 at 11:52:41
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Forget the engine, this looks impossible for a human to defend - IMO.
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #180 - 11/21/13 at 11:51:12
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Sometimes even people this strong don't Smiley It does look horrifyingly dangerous now and you can't imagine that can possibly have been the idea when he set off.

The online engine is still giving lines suggesting that it is very confused indeed.
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #179 - 11/21/13 at 11:49:52
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22...b3 played. Carlsen down to 35 mins left now!!!

Anand is 1/2 hr ahead on the clock with a kingside attack ready to go.....
  
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