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Anand by +3    
  1 (1.3%)
Anand by +2    
  1 (1.3%)
Anand by +1    
  11 (14.1%)
The Match is Drawn    
  1 (1.3%)
Carlsen by +1    
  25 (32.1%)
Carlsen by +2    
  30 (38.5%)
Carlsen by +3    
  6 (7.7%)
Anand by more than +3    
  0 (0.0%)
Carlsen by more than +3    
  3 (3.8%)




Total votes: 78
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Reply #253 - 11/21/13 at 21:16:45
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imho. Anand should play the modern/pirc tomorrow ...

and carlsen should play for the win, even if he has a draw in the pocket ...
  
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Reply #252 - 11/21/13 at 20:52:00
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tony37 wrote on 11/21/13 at 17:00:21:
fairchess wrote on 11/21/13 at 16:52:11:

I think Anand can still lose the last 3 in a row and end -6 in the match

that's impossible, from now on Anand is unbeatable because as soon as Carlsen has a winning position he'll offer a draw and the match is over


Not necessarily. Carlsen likes to play on in favourable positions even when the tournament situation indicates that a draw is enough.
  
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Reply #251 - 11/21/13 at 20:32:06
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ErictheRed wrote on 11/21/13 at 17:22:24:
I think we just see a quick Berlin or Petroff with a handshake tomorrow. 


I doubt it. I predict Anand will try to play for broke
  

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Reply #250 - 11/21/13 at 18:06:28
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I blame Nielsen.
  

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Reply #249 - 11/21/13 at 17:22:24
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I think we just see a quick Berlin or Petroff with a handshake tomorrow.
  
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Reply #248 - 11/21/13 at 17:18:19
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fairchess wrote on 11/21/13 at 16:52:11:
ghenghisclown wrote on 11/21/13 at 16:11:23:
Well, I guess Anand could win 3 in a row...


I think Anand can still lose the last 3 in a row and end -6 in the match


They will not play the final two games unless Anand wins tomorrow.
  

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Reply #247 - 11/21/13 at 17:00:21
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fairchess wrote on 11/21/13 at 16:52:11:

I think Anand can still lose the last 3 in a row and end -6 in the match

that's impossible, from now on Anand is unbeatable because as soon as Carlsen has a winning position he'll offer a draw and the match is over
  
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Reply #246 - 11/21/13 at 16:52:11
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ghenghisclown wrote on 11/21/13 at 16:11:23:
Well, I guess Anand could win 3 in a row...


I think Anand can still lose the last 3 in a row and end -6 in the match
  
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Reply #245 - 11/21/13 at 16:11:23
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Well, I guess Anand could win 3 in a row...
  

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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #244 - 11/21/13 at 15:26:11
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I don't think allowing white this sort of very dangerous attack is going to count as a conceptual refutation of 4 f3 Smiley

The thing that looked to be close to that was 4.. o-o because 5 e4 isn't meant to work well. Presume there must be something else fairly effective though because that's Carlsen and Kramnik who have both passed it up in WC matches.
(Or was it Kramnik who played this against Anand in their match?)
  
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Reply #243 - 11/21/13 at 15:12:04
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lnn2 wrote on 11/21/13 at 15:06:03:
IMJohnCox wrote on 11/21/13 at 13:13:38:
And to be fair, by the way, a fascinating game and even something of a conceptual innovation by Carlsen. Maybe he and Houdini were right all along and the visual impression wrong?


Yes Carlsen's approach is interesting. Isn't Black not supposed to allow White a free hand in the centre by closing the centre with 8... c4? I thought the old Botvinnik games already established that. If 7... ed5 8. e3 c4 works then 4. f3 is almost looking like a mistake on a conceptual level!

An unprovoked ...c5-c4 (i.e. one that doesn't gain a tempo on a Bd3) has been revived in the Tarrasch and the Ragozin, to name two instances off the top of my head, so it's not so surprising that the worm has turned here too. And like I said earlier in the thread, playing it so early means the bishop can't occupy its preferred b1-h7 diagonal. Not sure if this is the "innovation" John is referring to though.
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #242 - 11/21/13 at 15:06:03
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IMJohnCox wrote on 11/21/13 at 13:13:38:
And to be fair, by the way, a fascinating game and even something of a conceptual innovation by Carlsen. Maybe he and Houdini were right all along and the visual impression wrong?


Yes Carlsen's approach is interesting. Isn't Black not supposed to allow White a free hand in the centre by closing the centre with 8... c4? I thought the old Botvinnik games already established that. If 7... ed5 8. e3 c4 works then 4. f3 is almost looking like a mistake on a conceptual level!
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #241 - 11/21/13 at 14:45:40
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Dink Heckler wrote on 11/21/13 at 14:42:16:
Surprised how amateurish and rushed the press conference felt; was also hoping someone would ask Carlsen about his choice of opening, but alas...


I agree. The press conference was not professional. Was also hoping for some clarification on this point but instead they asked Anand the same question who made a very logical choice ...
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #240 - 11/21/13 at 14:42:16
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Having taken the morning off to deal with a faulty boiler and an errant plumber, I enjoyed the chance to catch the game...first game of the match I've been able to watch, and I feel like I got my money's worth. Polgar and that other bloke can witter on a bit; at least Trent and Sachdev talk about the game. Surprised how amateurish and rushed the press conference felt; was also hoping someone would ask Carlsen about his choice of opening, but alas...

Despite the result, I can't see Carlsen's opening catching on. I mean, strong people play it from time to time, so it must have some merits that elude me, but it always strikes me as a very impractical choice, whatever the theoretical verdict.
  

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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #239 - 11/21/13 at 14:14:01
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Must be quite a good chance that Anand will retire at least fairly soon after the match. He's been (relatively!) struggling in tournaments for a little bit now.

Certainly playing in the candidates for a potential match in a couple of years time doesn't seem that likely to be tempting.
  
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