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Anand by +3    
  1 (1.3%)
Anand by +2    
  1 (1.3%)
Anand by +1    
  11 (14.1%)
The Match is Drawn    
  1 (1.3%)
Carlsen by +1    
  25 (32.1%)
Carlsen by +2    
  30 (38.5%)
Carlsen by +3    
  6 (7.7%)
Anand by more than +3    
  0 (0.0%)
Carlsen by more than +3    
  3 (3.8%)




Total votes: 78
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #268 - 11/22/13 at 16:58:16
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Gerry1970 wrote on 11/22/13 at 16:55:14:
Hello:

He has only won one WCh so far so I wonder why is added to this vaunted list so soon. And what about Kramnik that dethroned Kasparov?

Gerry


the Kramnik that failed to give Kasparov a rematch?
the Kramnik that got knocked out by Shirov but still got to play a match against Kasparov?
no, I'd not have him on the list.
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #267 - 11/22/13 at 16:55:14
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Hello:

He has only won one WCh so far so I wonder why is added to this vaunted list so soon. And what about Kramnik that dethroned Kasparov?

Gerry
  
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Reply #266 - 11/22/13 at 16:51:08
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>Indeed, another name in an elevated sequence: Capablanca, Botvinnik, Fischer, Karpov, Kasparov.

If the list of champions above was to include players who were also clearly the strongest in the world then Lasker belongs on it, and also Steinitz, although not for the whole of their tenures. 

>And maybe this is the most dominant victory in a WC-match since Lasker - Capablanca, at least one where the reigning champion lost the title. It was never any real question who would win after it had started.

Pretty similar to Kasparov-Kramnik, actually.

  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #265 - 11/22/13 at 15:32:08
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MartinC wrote on 11/22/13 at 14:51:50:
Well Carlsen is probably the first WC since Kasparov who is also unarguably the strongest player in the world.


Indeed, another name in an elevated sequence: Capablanca, Botvinnik, Fischer, Karpov, Kasparov, and now Carlsen. 

And maybe this is the most dominant victory in a WC-match since Lasker - Capablanca, at least one where the reigning champion lost the title. It was never any real question who would win after it had started.
  
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Reply #264 - 11/22/13 at 15:24:09
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MartinC wrote on 11/22/13 at 14:51:50:
Well Carlsen is probably the first WC since Kasparov who is also unarguably the strongest player in the world.

A very well, intelligently, controlled match too until the end where you suspect he was confident enough in his lead/play to allow the complications.


That was what I was trying to say, but failed to do very well!

What I meant is he is in the same league as Fischer, Karpov, Kasparov, the next new light.
  
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Reply #263 - 11/22/13 at 14:51:50
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Well Carlsen is probably the first WC since Kasparov who is also unarguably the strongest player in the world.

A very well, intelligently, controlled match too until the end where you suspect he was confident enough in his lead/play to allow the complications.
  
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Reply #262 - 11/22/13 at 14:50:41
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Not to mention, of course, Karpov, Khalifman, Kazimdhanov and Ponomariov. And probably some others I've forgotten as well.
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #261 - 11/22/13 at 14:36:39
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Ok simple well done then! ....And you forgot Topalov!!
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #260 - 11/22/13 at 14:35:30
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Keano wrote on 11/22/13 at 14:32:13:
Well done Magnus Carlsen, at last a worthy successor to Kasparov.


Shocked not sure if the Kramnik and Anand could be considered unworthy really ...
  
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Reply #259 - 11/22/13 at 14:32:13
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Well done Magnus Carlsen, at last a worthy successor to Kasparov.
  
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Reply #258 - 11/22/13 at 14:20:52
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Great fighting finish by both players. Anand can be proud for fighting to the end. And Carlsen showed his class in playing for a win.
  

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Reply #257 - 11/22/13 at 14:16:48
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Now it's official ... Carlsen is the champ ...
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #256 - 11/22/13 at 10:34:16
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Love how the online computer has been going 0.00 and predicting all sorts of rather spurious repititions.

Commendable situational awareness Smiley
(Although they do seem to have set out to play a proper game.).
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #255 - 11/22/13 at 09:17:21
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No. I think it will be totally uneventful as Anand by now recognizes that he is playing far from his best Chess...and probably by now doesn't trust himself (Did you see his face at the end of the last game, after he moved the Knight, or after 28. ... Qe1 on the very next move?). 

The only reasons to play on are for the Indian fans and to see if Carlsen gets nervous, as challengers sometimes do, so close to the ultimate chess summit (like Leko, who choked against Kramnik after he went up a point in their Wch match). 

However, this won't happen, as Carlsen seems to have excellent nerves and all the confidence in the world...swagger and fast moves to boot.
  

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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #254 - 11/22/13 at 02:08:37
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I've changed my mind; while I think Anand is ready to concede the match, I don't think that he wants everyone to see that he's ready to concede.  I bet he chooses a sharp opening like the Sicilian or Pirc, but the players find a somewhat tactical line that ends in exchanges and a draw.  Anand can look like he tried to win while gracefully turning the title over to the next generation.

That's my prediction anyway, we'll see!
  
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