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Anand by +3 1 (1.3%) Anand by +2 1 (1.3%) Anand by +1 11 (14.1%) The Match is Drawn 1 (1.3%) Carlsen by +1 25 (32.1%) Carlsen by +2 30 (38.5%) Carlsen by +3 6 (7.7%) Anand by more than +3 0 (0.0%) Carlsen by more than +3 3 (3.8%) Total votes: 78 « Created by: TalJechin on: 09/24/13 at 08:40:59 »

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GabrielGale Senior Member Offline Who was Thursday? Posts: 471 Location: Sydney Joined: 02/28/08 Gender:	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #283 - 11/30/13 at 06:59:00	Post Tools	Print Post
	Latest interview with Carlsen: http://www.chessdom.com/magnus-carlsen-my-goal-was-to-play-40-50-good-moves-in-e... or http://www.thehindu.com/sport/other-sports/triumph-was-easier-than-expected-carl... Quote: Coming to your win, did it come easier than you expected? It was certainly easier than what I had expected at the start. I thought, if I manage to play at my highest level, Anand would not manage to win any games. And I thought that usually I should be able to press him in a number of games and in one or two of them, he should crack. And he did. Quote: Did you plan to target Anand in any specific area of his game? Nothing special apart from playing 40 to 50 good moves in every game. That was my main goal. I had to keep playing because I think you’ve worked so hard before the match. You’ve worked so hard to get there. So I think you need to work very hard on the board. If the position is not a draw, you should not agree for a draw. You should play it out. That’s right. If you want to win the World championship match, you need to play well not only for one or two hours, but four or five or six… Quote: How much time did you spend ahead of each game during the championship? I would spend anything from two hours to 10-15 minutes before any game each day. Looking through some lines and just double checking the stuff. Apart from that, I would spend time in the evening sometime if it was unclear what I was going to play the next day. Basically, I did not do too much, during the match, apart from playing the games. Quote: Considering your style of play, much unlike your great predecessors, do you consider yourself some kind of a ‘revolutionary’ in chess in this era? Yes, may be a little bit. But I think, it’s also been the trend in recent times that people are trying to gain some playable positions from the opening (phase) rather than (looking for) too much of an advantage. Obviously, I play the middle game and endgame better than most people so I can afford to take such an approach.

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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #282 - 11/26/13 at 02:32:41	Post Tools	Print Post
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BPaulsen God Member Offline I Love Light Squares! Posts: 1702 Location: Anaheim, CA, USA Joined: 11/02/08 Gender:	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #281 - 11/23/13 at 00:09:55	Post Tools	Print Post
	Magnus Carlsen is the revolution chess badly needed. Instead of trying to win footraces with cars, he shows that all you need is to be more fleet of foot than the next guy. For me, despite all of my work on chess openings, this is edifying and very much welcome. A breath of fresh air, and the divorce of chess from computers. When it comes down to it, it's still man versus man, and that struggle is what has long made chess the fascinating game all of us here enjoy. The search for chess truth in regards to evaluations will no doubt continue, but I think this marks a turning point if classical chess is to have a future.

	2288 USCF, 2186 FIDE. FIDE based on just 27 games.
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tony37 God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 619 Joined: 10/16/10	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #280 - 11/22/13 at 23:45:16	Post Tools	Print Post
	you shouldn't exaggerate, let's see when he faces a stronger opponent


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Vass God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1105 Joined: 06/22/11	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #279 - 11/22/13 at 23:33:31	Post Tools	Print Post
	We all know about legends as Morphy, Steinitz, Lasker, Capablanca, Alekhine, Botvinnik...Fischer, some of us were witnesses on K-K's time and matches... But, one thing I'll say here: What we see now is unique.. A true legend is born...right in front of our eyes. And I think, better than anyone ever played this game called chess. Some would surely say: Naaah, Capa was better, Fischer won his matches by 6 to 0, Karpov was dominant over other players for almost 15 years, Kasparov was the best....and so on. If they were in this modern age, they'd.... Well, who can judge right? I would say.. In my humble opinion - only the best ones, the engines. Those who can beat every one of those I already mentioned. What I would want to say is that Carlsen is a true legend, the best chess player ever. And we can thank our luck that he's in our time.. How can I say this? Well, ask the judges! Put his games under the investigation of the engines' jury, then put the games of all these I mentioned above before this high court and look at the results! I've watched the Carlsen-Anand games on some sites with engines evaluation. And I'm amazed how can a human play like this. If engines don't approve his moves as good (which happens very, very rarely - just one or two per single game) he never loses the grip on the position. Who can say the same for any of the previous world champions?


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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #278 - 11/22/13 at 21:25:18	Post Tools	Print Post
	ErictheRed wrote on 11/22/13 at 20:21:54: I'm happy that Carlsen won because I think that he has the most unique approach to chess at the top, and it's time that we see chess head somewhere a little different for a while. I wonder if him being so young is actually a sign that he may leave chess before too long, though. Perhaps he'll think that he's accomplished all that he can, and go off to pursue something else? I agree. Its funny when you here all this rubbish about computer preparation and chess being played out. Along comes someone like Carlsen who says nevermind all that rubbish lets play, and lets not agree a stupid Grandmaster draw while we are at it either. Refreshing. This kid could be the best thing for chess since Bobby Fischer. The only thing he needs to brush up on now is his PR. Answering every question in a press conference with " I dont know...We'll see" is not really going to do it.


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Igor Junior Member Offline Schild und Schwert der Partei! Posts: 79 Location: Italy Joined: 04/12/09 Gender:	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #277 - 11/22/13 at 20:30:38	Post Tools	Print Post
	Habemus Papam.


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ErictheRed God Member Offline USCF National Master Posts: 2534 Location: USA Joined: 10/02/05	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #276 - 11/22/13 at 20:21:54	Post Tools	Print Post
	I'm happy that Carlsen won because I think that he has the most unique approach to chess at the top, and it's time that we see chess head somewhere a little different for a while. I wonder if him being so young is actually a sign that he may leave chess before too long, though. Perhaps he'll think that he's accomplished all that he can, and go off to pursue something else?


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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #275 - 11/22/13 at 19:34:20	Post Tools	Print Post
	ReneDescartes wrote on 11/22/13 at 19:11:44: I'm happy with the Steinitz line of champions that have each beaten the previous champion in a title match except where the line was interrupted by death or mental illness. I would be happy with this list also, but I'd like to include Topalov because of the unique circumstances of winning San Luis and then re-uniting the cycle. And then only being beaten in a ludicrous sudden death play-off after a drawn match in normal time. I wouldn't be surprised if Toppy won the candidates either because he qualified so easily and can still do the business when he puts his mind to it, but beating this Carlsen kid is going to take something special. What I was referring to earlier was a new force the likes of Bobby Fischer or Garry Kasparov. I think we have one now.
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ReneDescartes God Member Offline Qu'est-ce donc que je suis? Une chose qui pense. Posts: 1240 Joined: 05/17/10 Gender:	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #274 - 11/22/13 at 19:11:44	Post Tools	Print Post
	I'm happy with the Steinitz line of champions that have each beaten the previous champion in a title match except where the line was interrupted by death or mental illness. There's no need to rank them; or, rather, each of us is entitled to his own ranking. I don't believe anyone has dominated his contemporaries through the bulk of his tenure as champion. Capablanca, Botvinnik, and of course Fischer were dominant before winning the title, while Kasparov was never able to dominate Karpov at all: he could only barely beat him in matches. Dominance is only one way to achieve greatness. Courage is another--and Kramnik, in the manner of his victories over Leko and Topalov, surely demonstrated this. What Carlsen has done is quite sufficient; there's no need to rip the laurels from anyone else in order to raise him higher.


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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #273 - 11/22/13 at 18:21:48	Post Tools	Print Post
	IMJohnCox wrote on 11/22/13 at 17:21:48: Ach, c'mon Keano, give it a rest. He's not a bad player though is Kramnik. Actually I think he is probably at his peak right now. I've grown to respect him more, but certain things I won't forget!


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dfan God Member Offline "When you see a bad move, look for a better one" Posts: 766 Location: Boston Joined: 10/04/05	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #272 - 11/22/13 at 18:13:32	Post Tools	Print Post
	A rating difference of 500 would correspond to an expected result of 95%, so out of every 10 games Carlsen would win 9 and draw 1. I think the actual fraction of points Carlsen could be expected to earn would be closer to 65%, or a rating difference of about 100. Conveniently for Arpad Elo that is in fact what their rating difference is.


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TalJechin God Member Offline There is no secret ingredient. Posts: 2892 Location: Malmö Joined: 08/12/04 Gender:	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #271 - 11/22/13 at 18:02:36	Post Tools	Print Post
	>Indeed, another name in an elevated sequence: Capablanca, Botvinnik, Fischer, Karpov, Kasparov. >>If the list of champions above was to include players who were also clearly the strongest in the world then Lasker belongs on it, and also Steinitz, although not for the whole of their tenures. >>> I don't think chess as a sport was developed enough to claim that those two were all that dominant. Morphy would have a better claim than them, imo. >And maybe this is the most dominant victory in a WC-match since Lasker - Capablanca, at least one where the reigning champion lost the title. It was never any real question who would win after it had started. >>Pretty similar to Kasparov-Kramnik, actually. >>>Resultwise, maybe. But matchwise not really. As I remember it, many games of that match felt like Kramnik was pushed to his very best to avoid defeat. While Carlsen-Anand after the first 4-5 games felt more and more like a rating difference of about 500, or simply that Carlsen was never really pushed to perform but coasted home only using perhaps 60% of his real capacity...


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IMJohnCox God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1551 Location: London Joined: 01/28/06 Gender:	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #270 - 11/22/13 at 17:21:48	Post Tools	Print Post
	Ach, c'mon Keano, give it a rest.


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Gerry1970 Senior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 482 Joined: 02/01/06	Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen Reply #269 - 11/22/13 at 17:05:20	Post Tools	Print Post
	One of the craziest things in the history of chess to me at least is that a champion could refuse someone at various times throughout history. Unbelievable. Gerry


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