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Anand by +3    
  1 (1.3%)
Anand by +2    
  1 (1.3%)
Anand by +1    
  11 (14.1%)
The Match is Drawn    
  1 (1.3%)
Carlsen by +1    
  25 (32.1%)
Carlsen by +2    
  30 (38.5%)
Carlsen by +3    
  6 (7.7%)
Anand by more than +3    
  0 (0.0%)
Carlsen by more than +3    
  3 (3.8%)




Total votes: 78
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #58 - 11/12/13 at 15:45:40
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Oops was not paying attention to the (boring) opening moves.  Tongue  Can someone be kind enough to tell me whether Black can get away with 1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 c5 aiming for a reversed benoni. not sure if 3. c4 d4 is any good for White? At least from White side this would worry me most. 

Anand's choice of 2... g6 probably means he has grunfeld ready against 1. d4. 

  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #57 - 11/12/13 at 15:28:57
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2...g6 is indeed a good move, I'm glad Anand plays this instead of the c6+Bg4 stuff we've seen hundreds of times before

to elaborate a bit on 2...g6: white can play towards a fianchetto Grünfeld but then (if he doesn't go for the solid c6-variation) black has avoided the most critical lines with cxd5 because black plays dxc4 as soon as white goes c4
if white continues in King's Indian attack style then black has the Pachman system with d5, g6, Bg7, e5 and Ne7 which I really like for black (when you look at Houdini's evaluation he doesn't like it that much but he's just wrong)
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #56 - 11/12/13 at 15:25:50
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Keano wrote on 11/12/13 at 15:19:15:
gwnn wrote on 11/12/13 at 15:14:38:
Well he is playing 2 g3 first right? After 2 c4 d4 black usually doesn't fianchetto his dark-squared bishop.


exactly! 1.Nf3 d5 2.g3!


Allright guys - game 3: 1.Nf3 d5 2.g3 g6! 



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Reply #55 - 11/12/13 at 15:19:15
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gwnn wrote on 11/12/13 at 15:14:38:
Well he is playing 2 g3 first right? After 2 c4 d4 black usually doesn't fianchetto his dark-squared bishop.


exactly! 1.Nf3 d5 2.g3!
  
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Reply #54 - 11/12/13 at 15:14:38
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Well he is playing 2 g3 first right? After 2 c4 d4 black usually doesn't fianchetto his dark-squared bishop.
  
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Reply #53 - 11/12/13 at 15:09:10
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I am curious what Carlsen has in mind against 1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 d4 which is the single biggest argument against the Reti.
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #52 - 11/12/13 at 15:08:36
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It seemed to me Anand bailed out of his winning chances when he traded the remaining rooks on move 37.  It looked like he could have kept things interesting with 37…Bd4 followed by …Rf8 and play against f2.  Once he traded the rooks there was not enough play left.  However I didn't get a chance to look at it more deeply since I was leaving for work.
  
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Reply #51 - 11/12/13 at 13:47:03
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Draw. If they continue like this, I think chess will be able to avoid complete Reti-ization in the next few years.
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #50 - 11/12/13 at 13:03:00
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Looks like Carlsen is getting gradually outplayed by Anand. Will it be enough to win???

Drama at last.....

He has messed it up, why ...Rd8 when he had ...Bd4. Its just a dead draw now.
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #49 - 11/12/13 at 12:13:20
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Keano wrote on 11/12/13 at 10:24:06:
Carlsen sticks with Reti, interesting to see if he stays with this for the whole match now.


Didnt someone from the forum propose that the reti will become the main line of chess in this decade?
Actually we finally get a real chess game this time Smiley
  
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Reply #48 - 11/12/13 at 10:24:06
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Carlsen sticks with Reti, interesting to see if he stays with this for the whole match now.
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #47 - 11/12/13 at 00:58:40
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 11/11/13 at 22:25:22:
Yes, but before there's a game four, there will be game three. 


Makes sense. I had Carlsen punt 1.c4; however 1.e4 is also logical.

I wonder how Anand would respond. He may view the Sicilian as too double-edged for the early games.
  
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Reply #46 - 11/11/13 at 22:25:22
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Yes, but before there's a game four, there will be game three. 

Carlsen plays 1.e4 more than any other first move.
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #45 - 11/11/13 at 20:51:12
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 11/11/13 at 02:29:13:
I doubt Anand wants to test Carlsen's Spanish. Against 1.e4, I rather expect he'll play a Sicilian. Anand has a good record against the Spanish, and against Carlsen in the Spanish, but it is playing to Carlsen's strengths


Wouldn't Anand have White in game 4?
  
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Re: WCH 2013 Anand - Carlsen
Reply #44 - 11/11/13 at 02:29:13
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I doubt Anand wants to test Carlsen's Spanish. Against 1.e4, I rather expect he'll play a Sicilian. Anand has a good record against the Spanish, and against Carlsen in the Spanish, but it is playing to Carlsen's strengths.

But yeah, it's a good bet that Carlsen will play at least three different openings as white this match.
  
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