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Re: How to Read Lots of Ches Books
Reply #18 - 10/03/13 at 03:44:45
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Taljechin, I don't view your question as a hijack. It is a very interesting question. So I think it is interesting to look at both quantity and quality.

I feel myself that I have read few books cover to cover even though I have done work with others and so would consider myself to have not read enough.

In addition, Uhohspaghettio's comments really resonate with me. I don't think that I am translating the reading of a book, especially middlegame books, into improved play. I have seen more of a practical benefit with endgame books such as saving some technical endgames as in using the Philidor position.

I also have a hard time understanding strategic endgame books. Maybe the issue is I haven't read enough middlegame or strategic endgame books? Or have not looked at enough master games.

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Re: How to Read Lots of Ches Books
Reply #17 - 10/02/13 at 21:39:09
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I see people here are well ahead of me in the book-reading race! If I'm allowed to include low-level or beginner's books I've browsed through to hunt for good ideas I can use in my teaching, maybe I'm up to a measly 15 books in all.

The contrast with the actual number of chess books I own is pathetic. I think part of the problem has been a certain unhelpful perfectionism: I have stopped myself from reading books quickly or just for fun, thinking I would somehow find the time to be a serious chess student and do a "solitaire chess" program on them. That's never going to happen with most of them...

Another issue is that today I do much of my chess study with databases, computer programs and websites. But I still benefited a lot from the few books I have sat down with and gone through from cover to cover with a board and pieces. It forced a rigid structure which was good for me. No endless fretting over what to study the next month - just pick a good book on the right level, start on page 1 and keep going till the end!

  

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Re: How to Read Lots of Ches Books
Reply #16 - 10/02/13 at 21:13:14
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I think discussing what it means to read a chess book isn't hijacking a thread about how many chess books we read at all.

Books on the Opening
I have "read" hundreds of chess books. I have flipped through many opening books and studied the lines that interested me without reading other sections very closely at all. For instance, I have Watson's Play the French books.  But I don't play the Winawer much, so I just flip through his recommendations in those chapters to see if there's anything interesting. I do peruse the sections on the Exchange, Advance and other stuff. I count that as a book I read.

Instruction Manuals
I have read cover to cover such books as My System, Dynamic Chess Strategy, and tactics books. 

Tactics and Endgames
To read a bunch of tactics books or endgame books, just stick one in your bathroom, or take one on your commute to work (as long as you aren't the one driving). 

Game Collections
I have played through almost every game in my chess collections, but I didn't bother setting up the board and really studying the positions on many of them. I guess that's one of the secrets to reading many books: Can you follow a game score without setting up the pieces?

ErictheRed's comment about skipping classes to read chess books resonates with me. I missed several classes playing chess. In order to read many chess books, you have to really love chess.  I've missed countless lunches to study chess, yet I'm fighting a losing battle with my weight. Go figure.

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Re: How to Read Lots of Ches Books
Reply #15 - 10/02/13 at 18:59:37
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Sorry Gerry1970, I didn't mean to hi-jack your thread, just made a quick comment and people got sidetracked a bit...

Anyhoo, I doubt I've really read more than 20-30 chess books in the last 30 years. If spend some time on it, I could probably name most of them. i.e. Pawn Power in Chess by Kmoch, Mastering the Endgame 1&2, Endgame Strategy - Shereshevsky, Winning with Chess Psychology - Benko, and the rest is mostly opening books...
  
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Re: How to Read Lots of Ches Books
Reply #14 - 10/02/13 at 17:09:10
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Yeah, it really depends on what "reading cover to cover" really means, which is not obvious when it comes to chess books. If you mean reading every word and looking at every line, I have probably read around 5 beginner books, and after that, none. If you mean turning every page and reading enough to get a grasp of what the author is saying, then probably around 50. Which I guess accounts for 20-25% of all the chess books that I have read parts of.
  
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Re: How to Read Lots of Ches Books
Reply #13 - 10/02/13 at 11:59:17
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Either lots (many multiple times), or if you mean really studied hard, then none. 

I mostly just read them for perspective/interest, although all the general background probably does help a little bit anyway.
  
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Re: How to Read Lots of Ches Books
Reply #12 - 10/02/13 at 08:43:13
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TalJechin wrote on 10/02/13 at 05:38:38:
MartinC wrote on 09/30/13 at 09:08:07:
I just read books of all sorts in large numbers. Chess books too but in a broadly superfical fashion.

If by reading you mean carefully analysing all of the lines/games etc and fully understanding it then its a lot of work for each book and yes it'd be hard to read very many.


That would be a great new topic - what chess books have you actually read from cover to cover? Quality before quantity!


Somewhere between 100 and 150. I lost count a long time ago.
  

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Re: How to Read Lots of Ches Books
Reply #11 - 10/02/13 at 07:39:45
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Uhohspaghettio wrote on 10/02/13 at 00:13:04:
I'd swear blind that you can't beat a good book in almost anything you do. Sometimes it may be a big help to listen to people who know and understand the field and watch how they talk about and what they emphasize, how they have interpreted it. And of course you want to obtain listening skills and know how to talk about the subject. But for the greatest verifiable learning and understanding per time, a book is better. Universities are also faced with the situation that their lectures can easily be put on video now and watched at any time, which puts lecturers in a tricky situation.

I used to be a big believer in books, the first thing I'd always do when learning a new subject is to get a book on it.

But based on my experiences in chess, I've changed the system (in other subjects as well, mostly computer programming): first I fight with a subject myself, then after a while when I have my own ideas I read a book.

That way I can work with the book much more effectively, I know which chapters deal with problems I actually have, and it's so much easier to remember details of a book when they solve a problem I've already tried to solve myself.

In chess this mostly applies to opening study. Play the opening first before I dive into books on the opening, I won't remember or understand the theory if I haven't played the yet line.
  
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Re: How to Read Lots of Ches Books
Reply #10 - 10/02/13 at 05:38:38
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MartinC wrote on 09/30/13 at 09:08:07:
I just read books of all sorts in large numbers. Chess books too but in a broadly superfical fashion.

If by reading you mean carefully analysing all of the lines/games etc and fully understanding it then its a lot of work for each book and yes it'd be hard to read very many.


That would be a great new topic - what chess books have you actually read from cover to cover? Quality before quantity!
  
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Re: How to Read Lots of Ches Books
Reply #9 - 10/02/13 at 03:36:29
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Don't worry. I am way beyond that age!

For those of you that have read many books completely, how many are we talking about on average?

Gerry

ErictheRed wrote on 10/01/13 at 18:59:30:


I'm absolutely NOT suggesting that you follow my example, but in my case it's really true.  Ah, youth.

  
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Re: How to Read Lots of Ches Books
Reply #8 - 10/02/13 at 00:13:04
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I'd swear blind that you can't beat a good book in almost anything you do. Sometimes it may be a big help to listen to people who know and understand the field and watch how they talk about and what they emphasize, how they have interpreted it. And of course you want to obtain listening skills and know how to talk about the subject. But for the greatest verifiable learning and understanding per time, a book is better. Universities are also faced with the situation that their lectures can easily be put on video now and watched at any time, which puts lecturers in a tricky situation.    
   
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Re: How to Read Lots of Ches Books
Reply #7 - 10/01/13 at 18:59:30
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Gerry1970 wrote on 10/01/13 at 18:09:52:
Thanks for the tips.

In terms of Eric's suggestion I am wondering if he is yanking my chain or if it's really true. Like many times when I am sitting at a chess board I just don't know.

Gerry


I'm absolutely NOT suggesting that you follow my example, but in my case it's really true.  Ah, youth.
  
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Re: How to Read Lots of Ches Books
Reply #6 - 10/01/13 at 18:09:52
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Thanks for the tips.

In terms of Eric's suggestion I am wondering if he is yanking my chain or if it's really true. Like many times when I am sitting at a chess board I just don't know.

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Re: How to Read Lots of Ches Books
Reply #5 - 09/30/13 at 23:13:28
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Err on the side of "too easy" rather than "too hard."  Study the shortest/easiest books first.  The goal is to actually finish them.  Find subjects that fascinate you.  If you enjoy sacrifices, study Spielmann and Tal.  Also: find world-champion-contender caliber authors in whom you have "faith".  For me this means studying Alekhine, Botvinnik, Bronstein, but avoiding Silman and other IM-level authors.  Also, read only one or two books at a time.  But then, if a book is boring or starts to kill your love of the game, feel free to drop it but leave your bookmark in it as a placeholder for when you come back to resume.  You will minimize quitting by selecting entertaining/good books by top authors that command respect. 

Also, keep track of your progress. The obvious way is to read the whole thing in order, cover to cover.  If you feel like reading the book out of order, mark in pencil the games that you have already studied so you can actually "finish" the book.  In chronological games collections, the first few games are often from schoolboy age and thus of a poor quality.  For these books I prefer to use a random number generator and mark in pencil the games I've already studied.  Somehow this feels less tedious than starting at page 1. 
  

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Re: How to Read Lots of Ches Books
Reply #4 - 09/30/13 at 15:34:10
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I did it by skipping a bunch of classes in college.
  
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