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Re: new opening system---universal attack
Reply #25 - 11/03/13 at 06:55:13
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Enough is enough. 

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Three posts in a row by Sloughter, and this thread is now locked.
  
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Re: new opening system---universal attack
Reply #24 - 11/03/13 at 04:09:33
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Hadron wrote on 11/01/13 at 21:54:24:
[quote author=574C464D4457417A484A4A415C7A4F570B250 link=1383320009/0#0 date=1383320009] In 1994 I played the first five moves in the opening with Black in 30 games to test a new system, but changed the move order in the Golden Knights Semifinals. 

The moves (yes it weakens the dark squares) 1...g6/2...Bg7/3...e6/4...Ne7/5...O-O always followed by d5, never d6; the primary idea is to overprotect the f7 square and assure Black of always reaching a middle game. This move order is so poorly known that most of your opponents will be out of book by move 4, 4...Ne7. 


A new system? Traces of the move order including d5 can be traced back to 1856[/quote

This game from the Mid-19th Century was pointed out to me by IM Welling. It is interesting because in an era when Romantic play was dominant both sides stayed in Universal mode until move 9! This was a consultation game between Anderssen, Kling and Horwitz versus Staunton, Kipping, and Boden, Manchester, 1857: 1.e4 e6 2.d4 g6 3.Be3 Bg7 4.Nd2 Ne7 5.Bd3 b6 6.Ne2 Bb7 7.O-O d6?! 8.c3 Nd7 9.Qb3? (According to IM Welling, this is how Staunton assessed this move) O-O 10.f4 d5! = 0-1:53
  
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Re: new opening system---universal attack
Reply #23 - 11/03/13 at 02:42:03
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Hadron wrote on 11/02/13 at 22:48:10:
Indeed ghenghisclown. Sloughter is lucky that this thread was not place in Flank Openings (which I moderate) where it should be because I can not see any value in it. 
It contains Houdini assessed drivel, outlandish comments slash claims and veiled personal attacks. All in all stand fair for a Sloughter owned thread.
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Here is Rubinnetti-Spassky, Toluca Interzonal, 1982: 1.Nf3 b6 2.g3 Bb7 3.d4 e6 4.Bg2 d6 5.O-O Nd7 6.c4 g6 7.Nc3 Bg7 8.e4 Ne7 9.Be3 O-O 10.Qe2 d5 0-1:30.

A question that arises is whether there was a need to play d5 in two moves? Why not just 4...d5?
  
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Re: new opening system---universal attack
Reply #22 - 11/03/13 at 01:19:05
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[quote author=687468200 link=1383320009/21#21 date=1383432490]Indeed ghenghisclown. Sloughter is lucky that this thread was not place in Flank Openings (which I moderate) where it should be because I can not see any value in it. 
It contains Houdini assessed drivel, outlandish comments slash claims and veiled personal attacks. All in all stand fair for a Sloughter owned thread.
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All of the major conclusions posted above were derived before I had any input from computers; I only used data bases from Colin Leach and Bill Townsend when I first wrote about these issues in 1999 and attempted to codify the UA.

When I was developing my theories on the Universal Attack, I got substantial input from IM Gerald Welling who provided his services gratis, so you can dismiss the favorable comments of GM Lev Alburt because I was his student and you can dismiss the ideas of IM Welling, because I assume he will disavow any knowledge of his actions Smiley
  
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Re: new opening system---universal attack
Reply #21 - 11/02/13 at 22:48:10
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Indeed ghenghisclown. Sloughter is lucky that this thread was not place in Flank Openings (which I moderate) where it should be because I can not see any value in it. 
It contains Houdini assessed drivel, outlandish comments slash claims and veiled personal attacks. All in all stand fair for a Sloughter owned thread.
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I'm reminded again of something Short wrote recently, approximately "The biggest fallacy in chess is the quasi-religious belief in the primacy of the opening."
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Re: new opening system---universal attack
Reply #20 - 11/02/13 at 21:46:07
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Hadron wrote on 11/02/13 at 21:26:23:
dfan wrote on 11/02/13 at 14:42:16:
sloughter does play in OTB tournaments. He has a USCF rating of around 1700.

1697 to be precise according to USCF website


That's just his human rating.

Multiply by 7 to get his strength among Canines.
  

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Re: new opening system---universal attack
Reply #19 - 11/02/13 at 21:26:23
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dfan wrote on 11/02/13 at 14:42:16:
sloughter does play in OTB tournaments. He has a USCF rating of around 1700.

1697 to be precise according to USCF website
  

I'm reminded again of something Short wrote recently, approximately "The biggest fallacy in chess is the quasi-religious belief in the primacy of the opening."
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Re: new opening system---universal attack
Reply #18 - 11/02/13 at 20:13:49
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Hey! That's no way to speak to a guy that once stalemated Fritz!!
  

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Re: new opening system---universal attack
Reply #17 - 11/02/13 at 19:43:02
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What you do is play the Battlestar Galactica Opening™ , Pegasus variation. It starts with 1.e4/d4/Nf3/a3/b3/a4/h3/c3/c4/b4/h4/Nh3/Na3/uh,pass - whatever White plays, and then you play d6, b6, Bb7, e6, Knights on d7 and e7, then g6 and Bh6 (Aggressive!!!). 

White has the advantage of the first move, of course. ...whatever that means.

I admit though, I don't know what happens if the Super-Duper Universal System™  as White meets as Black the Pegasus variation of the Battlestar Galactica Opening™ , patent pending for Pegasus, or pvbgpp.

I recommend the pvbgpp when it looks like Ivanov is getting a handle on the US, to mix things up. Alternatively, you can wear a ski mask and pretend your Subcommandante Marcos, or wear a tshirt that says "My Computer Rams harder than yours."

I suggest a neutral ground for the match. May I recommend Jack In the Box?

Their eggrolls are delicious.
  

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Re: new opening system---universal attack
Reply #16 - 11/02/13 at 19:30:41
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ghenghisclown wrote on 11/02/13 at 19:17:11:
sloughter wrote on 11/02/13 at 19:10:53:
ghenghisclown wrote on 11/02/13 at 19:08:16:
Still waiting to hear, sloughter, when you are playing that match against Borislav Ivanov.

Match of the century, I say.



I prefer to play against computers, not to use them in human/human contests and claim it is independent of computers.


LMAO...Is this really such a hard to understand joke? 

You can both use computers, who cares what he's claiming. My bet is you're better at using Houdini than he is. 

I mean, for God's sakes!!! You know how to make Houdini lose on time, too!!!


Houdini 3 Pro unlike Houdini 3 does not display the moves it is considering so I had no idea what it was planning. I never used the computer for analysis in this game and did not take any moves back.

As far as losing on time I got in touch with Diego of Chess King who sold me Houdini 3 Pro and the fact that it lost on time (It completed the forty moves, started the second time control, went through the second time control and then forfeited) came as a surprise to him. Twice it lost on time.

My point of the post was to address the beginner issue Smiley
  
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Re: new opening system---universal attack
Reply #15 - 11/02/13 at 19:17:11
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sloughter wrote on 11/02/13 at 19:10:53:
ghenghisclown wrote on 11/02/13 at 19:08:16:
Still waiting to hear, sloughter, when you are playing that match against Borislav Ivanov.

Match of the century, I say.



I prefer to play against computers, not to use them in human/human contests and claim it is independent of computers.


LMAO...Is this really such a hard to understand joke? 

You can both use computers, who cares what he's claiming. My bet is you're better at using Houdini than he is. 

I mean, for God's sakes!!! You know how to make Houdini lose on time, too!!!
  

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Re: new opening system---universal attack
Reply #14 - 11/02/13 at 19:10:53
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ghenghisclown wrote on 11/02/13 at 19:08:16:
Still waiting to hear, sloughter, when you are playing that match against Borislav Ivanov.

Match of the century, I say.



I prefer to play against computers, not to use them in human/human contests and claim it is independent of computers.
  
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Re: new opening system---universal attack
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Still waiting to hear, sloughter, when you are playing that match against Borislav Ivanov.

Match of the century, I say.
  

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Re: new opening system---universal attack
Reply #12 - 11/02/13 at 17:44:03
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Bibs wrote on 11/02/13 at 15:04:10:
A beginner.



The following game at 120'40 was played against Houdini 3 Pro; when it lost on time it stood worse. You will observe that the Pro made only one second best move, 8...Bb7 which is better than 8...cxb5 and no worse than 8...h6  8...Qc7 or 8...Rb8 but inferior to 8...Be7. 

Can anyone demostrate equality for Black at any point in the game?

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Na5 6. Bb5+ c6 7. dxc6 bxc6 8.Qf3 Bb7?! (Houdini 3 Pro had this as book, but clearly 8...Be7 = is better) 9. Ba4 Be7 10. O-O O-O 11. d3 c5 12. Qe2 Nc6 13. c3 Nd5 (Houdini now has a UP) 14. Nf3 f6 (The threat to walk off with a pawn is viewed as a serious threat by Houdini) 15.Na3 Qc7 16. Nc4 Rfd8 17. g3! (This is to permit Ne3 without allowing Nf4) Na5 (Houdini sees no way to make progress)18. Nxa5 Qxa5 19. Bc2 (White can hold the Queenside forever and the extra pawn will make its presence felt) Qc7 20. Nd2 (Finally achieving a UP) Qc6 21. f3 Rab8 22. Nc4! (Stepping out of UP mode so the Knight can occupy this powerful square) Qd7 23. Bd2 Bc6 24. b3 Nc7 25. a4 (Grabbing space on the Queenside so that I can mobilize my pawn majority) Ba8 26. Rfd1 Ne6 27. Rf1 Bd6 28.Rad1 Bc7 29. Qf2 Bd5 30. Bc1 Qf7 31. Qe2 Rd7 32. Rf2 Re7 33. Rdf1 Rbe8 34. Rg2 Rd7 35. Qf2 (I decided to take a draw by repetition but the Pro avoided it) Rb8 36. Bd2 Rbd8 37. Bc1 Bc6 38. Qe2 Bb8 39. Qf2 Bb7 40. Qe2 Bd5 41. Rgf2 1-0 time

Once in a while I can play a decent game.
  
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Re: new opening system---universal attack
Reply #11 - 11/02/13 at 17:26:29
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Nimzovich is being ridiculed as clueless by sloughter? What's next? Who else, of the greatest player-writers in history, might become a target of this insolence? Let me make a wild guess:  Steinitz, Tarrasch, Lasker, Fine, Botvinnik, Tal. 

--RivertonKnight, if you want to understand whom you are dealing with, read reply #23 in this thread: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1279832611/15
  
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