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Re: new opening system---universal attack
Reply #10 - 11/02/13 at 16:02:15
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RivertonKnight wrote on 11/02/13 at 15:30:20:
Bibs,

  With respect man, I didn't read sloughter downplay anyone in his thread. I see a Nimzovitch in the making, different ideas compared to his fellows in arms!

I would ask you what your best setup would be against his proposed system?

Have a Great Day !! AJ



Thanks for the compliment---check out Nimzovich's My System. He has an entire chapter on pawn chains when not one of the games he gives is a pawn chain, they are all pawn links! He knew what a pawn chain was because he gave examples of pawn chains in his hypothetical pawn chains, yet examples of pawn chains he gives in actual play are not pawn chains, they are pawn links!

Nimzovich didn't even know the definition of the terms he used!

He also had a chapter on discovered checks. Do we really need to be taught how to use a discovered check?
  
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Re: new opening system---universal attack
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It seems like it should be possible to claim that a 1700-rated player is not qualified to make grand statements about advances in opening theory without classifying someone who is above the 80th percentile of Americans who play tournament chess as a "beginner".
  
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Re: new opening system---universal attack
Reply #8 - 11/02/13 at 14:42:16
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sloughter does play in OTB tournaments. He has a USCF rating of around 1700.
  
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Re: new opening system---universal attack
Reply #7 - 11/02/13 at 14:24:47
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sloughter
Play in a tournament. You think you are insightful.
Okay. Test yourself. 
The impression you give is of a hapless beginner with delusions of adequacy. Far distanced from reality. Delusional. 
Show your quality in a tournament. 
Then we may believe.
Otherwise, just one of many idiots in the world who think they know. But don't. Millions, of fools.
  
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Re: new opening system---universal attack
Reply #6 - 11/02/13 at 07:17:37
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RivertonKnight wrote on 11/02/13 at 03:51:16:
I enjoy the advant garde openings, but prefer the Modern Defence at the moment. sloughter I have a question about 1e4 g6 2 d4 Bg7 3 Nf3 e6 4 Nc3 what is your intended line of play if you don't like 4...Ne7 5 h4 ? I would rather see your analysis of your Universal Attack ...then games that do not qualify as Universal Positions in my opinion. I would say the Universal Attack needs a champion to become common !!

Have a Great Day !! AJ


I conflate universal positions with the UA because using general principles of the UA and UP's can guide play. Here we see the following move order (I wrote this in 1999) Korchnoi-Short, Skelleftea, 1989, Nogueiras-Arenciba, Capablanca Memorial, 1991 and many others: 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 e6 3.g3 g6 4.Bg2 Bg7 5.O-O Ne7 6.d4 O-O 7.Nbd2 Nbc6?!

The UA player would play 7...Nd7 without thinking to get in c5 at some point. =
  
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Re: new opening system---universal attack
Reply #5 - 11/02/13 at 06:48:42
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RivertonKnight wrote on 11/02/13 at 03:51:16:
I enjoy the advant garde openings, but prefer the Modern Defence at the moment. sloughter I have a question about 1e4 g6 2 d4 Bg7 3 Nf3 e6 4 Nc3 what is your intended line of play if you don't like 4...Ne7 5 h4 ? I would rather see your analysis of your Universal Attack ...then games that do not qualify as Universal Positions in my opinion. I would say the Universal Attack needs a champion to become common !!

Have a Great Day !! AJ


The Fritz engines usually don't find 5.h4 (sometimes they do) so unless your opponent reads this thread, you won't face it! Probably something noncommittal like 4...h6 is better than 4...Ne7.

The typical refutation of the UA is h4/h5 at some point in the game, but it doesn't always work. Here is Pospishil-Moody, Corr. 1997: 1.d4 g6 2.c4 Bg7 3.e4 e6 4.Nc3 Ne7 5.Nf3 b6 6.Qc2 Bb7 7.Be2 d5 8.Bd3 Nd7 9.O-O O-O 10.h4?! c5! =

Here is Duliba (Then Postal Master, Now Correspondence GM)-Moody, Corr., 1997: 1.d4 g6 2.c4 Bg7 3.Nf3 e6 4.e4 Ne7 5.Nc3 b6 6.Be2 Bb7 7.O-O O-O 8.Bf4 d5 9.cxd5 cxd5 10.e5 c6 11.Rc1 Nd7 12.Bg5 f6 13.exf6 Nxf6 14.Qd2 Re8?! (Nf5 +/=) 15.Bd3 c5 +/-

Here is a transposition to a Bird against a Postal Expert, Marcuson-Moody, Corr. 1994: 1.d4 g6 2.e4 Bg7 3.Nc3 e6 4.f4 Ne7 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be3 d5 7.e5 b6 8.Bd3 Bb7 9.Qd2 Nd7 10.O-O c5! 11.Nb5 Nc8! 12.c4 a6 13.Nc3 Ne7 14.a4 Rc8 15.b3 f6! with complications.

  
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Re: new opening system---universal attack
Reply #4 - 11/02/13 at 03:51:16
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I enjoy the advant garde openings, but prefer the Modern Defence at the moment. sloughter I have a question about 1e4 g6 2 d4 Bg7 3 Nf3 e6 4 Nc3 what is your intended line of play if you don't like 4...Ne7 5 h4 ? I would rather see your analysis of your Universal Attack ...then games that do not qualify as Universal Positions in my opinion. I would say the Universal Attack needs a champion to become common !!

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Re: new opening system---universal attack
Reply #3 - 11/01/13 at 23:18:04
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Hadron wrote on 11/01/13 at 21:54:24:
sloughter wrote on 11/01/13 at 15:33:29:
In 1994 I played the first five moves in the opening with Black in 30 games to test a new system, but changed the move order in the Golden Knights Semifinals. 

The moves (yes it weakens the dark squares) 1...g6/2...Bg7/3...e6/4...Ne7/5...O-O always followed by d5, never d6; the primary idea is to overprotect the f7 square and assure Black of always reaching a middle game. This move order is so poorly known that most of your opponents will be out of book by move 4, 4...Ne7. 


A new system? Traces of the move order including d5 can be traced back to 1856



Yes, you will find the occasional game where this move order is used either directly or by transposition; I recall something like 230 out of a 3,000,000 game data base in 1999. While authors like Soltis, Norwood, Smith and Hall cover the Modern and other defenses by Black, they don't cover the UA.

What I did was organize it and codify it, turning it into an entire opening system. No one else, to the best of my knowledge, had looked thoroughly at move orders like 1.d4 g6 2.c4 Bg7 3.e6 Nc3 4.e4 Ne7 5.Nf3 d5. Where Black's move order is known is in the Reti.

Going hand in hand with the Universal Attack are Universal positions. These are positions where one side has all their pieces in back of their pawns, there are at most one open or two half open files and no piece may be farther advanced than the farthest advance pawn. They are some of the most common and important positions in chess because the possessor of these positions has carved out interior space permitting him to maneuver behind his own lines: Here are a few UP's; these are from Inside Chess v.6 Issue 25-26; many games are from Tilburg, 1993:

Geller-van der Wiel: 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.e4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.d4 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Ne7 9.Bd2 Nh5 10.Rc1 b6 11.Re1 Nf4 12.Bf1 g5 13.h4 gxh4 14.Nxh4 f5 15.g3 Nf4g6 UP's by both sides

Vaiser-Adianto: 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.cxd5 cxd5 5.Bf4 Nc6 6.e3 e6 7.Bd3 Bd6 8.Bxd6 Qxd6 9.f4 Bd7 10.Rc1 h6 11.Nf3 UP

Kaidonov-Piket: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Be2 O-O 6.Bg5 Nbd7 7.Qd2 c6 8.Rd1 e5 9.Nf3 exd4 10.Nxd4 Re8 11.f3 a5 12.O-O a4 13.Rfe1 Qa5 14.Bf1 Nh5 15.Be3 UP

Andersson-Rozentalis: 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.g3 b6 4.Bg2 Bb7 5.O-O Be7 6.c4 O-O 7.Nc3 Ne4 8.Qe2 Nxc3 9.Qxc3 f5 10.b3 Bf6 11.Bb2 b6 12.Rad1 Qe7 13.Ne1 Bxg2 14.Nxg2 Both sides have UP's.

Bareev-Shirov: 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 a6 5.Qb3 e6 6.cxd5 cxd5 7.Bg5 Nc6 8.e3 Be7 9.Bd3 b5 10.O-O Bb7 11.Rfe1 O-O 12.a4 b4 13.Nb1 Nd7 UP

The question then becomes, "If Universal Positions are so common, why not play them from the first move---the rationale behind the Universal Attack?"

I counted something like 50 UP's in just one issue of Inside Chess.
  
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Re: new opening system---universal attack
Reply #2 - 11/01/13 at 21:54:24
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sloughter wrote on 11/01/13 at 15:33:29:
In 1994 I played the first five moves in the opening with Black in 30 games to test a new system, but changed the move order in the Golden Knights Semifinals. 

The moves (yes it weakens the dark squares) 1...g6/2...Bg7/3...e6/4...Ne7/5...O-O always followed by d5, never d6; the primary idea is to overprotect the f7 square and assure Black of always reaching a middle game. This move order is so poorly known that most of your opponents will be out of book by move 4, 4...Ne7. 


A new system? Traces of the move order including d5 can be traced back to 1856
  

I'm reminded again of something Short wrote recently, approximately "The biggest fallacy in chess is the quasi-religious belief in the primacy of the opening."
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Re: new opening system---universal attack
Reply #1 - 11/01/13 at 21:21:00
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To continue the above post. The UA works well against the Reti, Bird, or English, but the one move order which Black must avoid that no one has played against me is: 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nf3 e6 4.Nc3 Ne7? 5.h4! +/- because Black has no good response to h5; the Black King is trapped on the Kingside and White will castle Queenside with a strong attack.

Here is what happens when White plays the English poorly; Houdini 3 was White: 1.c4 g6 2.Nc3 Bg7 3.d4 e6 4.d4 Ne7 5.Nf3 d5 6.Bg5 (White goes after the weak dark squares; Black must play aggressively) f6 7.Bf4 g5 8.Be3 dxe4 9.Nxe4 Nf5 10.Nc3 Nxe3 11.fxe3 g4 12.Ng1 f5 13.Nge2 Bd7 14.Qb3 Nc6 & Black has a good game.

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One of the Holy Grails of the practical player is to learn one opening system that can be used against any opening with a playable position in the middlegame. For White the King's Indian Attack would be one example. In 1994 I played the first five moves in the opening with Black in 30 games to test a new system, but changed the move order in the Golden Knights Semifinals. 

The moves (yes it weakens the dark squares) 1...g6/2...Bg7/3...e6/4...Ne7/5...O-O always followed by d5, never d6; the primary idea is to overprotect the f7 square and assure Black of always reaching a middle game. This move order is so poorly known that most of your opponents will be out of book by move 4, 4...Ne7. 

In the Golden Knights Semifinals I learned to delay castling to see what my opponents would play. In the following game against FM Rudy Blumenfeld I had a decent game but made a critical mistake.

1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 e6 4.Nf3 Ne7 5.Bf4 b6 6.Qd2 Bb7 7.O-O-O d5 8.Bb5+ c6 9.Bd3 a6?! (A second best move. With 9...Nd7 Black stands no worse than many variations of the Modern, Rat or Hippo. This is a fairly typical piece setup in what I call the Universal Attack.

Here is a correspondence game where the UA permitted a sacrificial combination; I played a similar combination in one World Open that was published in the games collection: Vine-Moody, Corr. 1994: 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nf3 e6 4.Nc3 Ne7 5.Bd3 O-O 6.O-O d5 7.e5 Nd7 8.Ne2 c5 9.c3 b6 10.Be3 Bb7 11.Nf4 a6 12.Qd2 h6 13.h3 Kh8 14.Nh2 Nf5 15.Bxh5 gxf5 16.f3 Rg8 17.Qf2 Nxe5! 18.dxe5 Bxe5 19.Nf5 Qc7 20.f4 d4 21.Nf3 dxe3 22.Qxe3 Bb6 -/+ 

A typical move order is 1.d4 g6 2.c4 Bg7 3.Nc3 e6. 4.e4 Ne7 5.Nf3 d5 with a complex position where White has the first move advantage. 

Here is a game where Black had a spectacular attack in the UA: Gabriel-Jonas, Corr. 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.c4 e6 4.Nc3 Ne7 5.Be3 d5 6.f3? O-O 7.Qd2 c5! 8.cxd5 exd5 9.Nge2 Nbc6 10.Nxd5 Nxd5 11.exd5 cxd4 12.Nxd4 Re8 13.Nc2 Qb6 14.Bd3 Nb4 15.O-O Rxe3! 16.Nxe3 Nxd5 17.Rae1 Bd4 18.Kf2 Be6 19.a4 Rd8 20.a5 Qd6 21.Bb1 Nxe3 22.Rxe3 Qxh2 23.Rfe1 Bf6 24.Rd3 Bh4+ 25.Kf1 Bc4 26.Rec3 Qh1+ 27.Ke2 Qxb1 0-1

Does anyone play the UA and what are your results?
  
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