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Re: good endgame course
Reply #14 - 02/25/14 at 22:33:55
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katar wrote on 11/26/13 at 22:33:17:
The best endgame book is the one you actually read.


This is very true.  Too many players think the endgame is boring and never get around to studying it. 

I think that Karsten Mueller's endgame DVDs are very good (from what I've seen).  I suspect that you'd learn more from diligently working through a book, but are you actually going to?

I always recommend the slim little book Chess Endings: Essential Knowledge by Averbakh.  It's very densely packed with information, but slim enough that club players can actually get through the whole thing.  If you buy something like Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual (or Mueller's work), you're never going to actually get through it. 

I also think that Soltis' Grandmaster Secrets: Endings has some really good nuggets of wisdom for club players. 
  
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Re: good endgame course
Reply #13 - 02/25/14 at 22:19:38
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I think the endgame training programs from  Convekta or Chess OK the same people who make CT Art are the best ready made endgame course with structured feedback.
  
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Re: good endgame course
Reply #12 - 02/18/14 at 20:19:07
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chandrashekharkoravi wrote on 01/25/14 at 05:58:16:

b) Basic Chess Endings                 -  Fine.


Just my opinion, but I didn't like BCE because

1) Sometimes the text was ambiguous. It said "the edge of the board" when there was no hint which of the 4 edges he meant.

2) It does not cover R+minor piece+pawns, which occur in about 15% of all games. It claims they are not really different from R+P endings.

However, it's a bargain if you take the text with a big grain of salt and judge for yourself! It usually costs a lot less than other books, and chances of finding a used copy are excellent.
  

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Re: good endgame course
Reply #11 - 01/31/14 at 12:38:18
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I second that Fromper.
  
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Re: good endgame course
Reply #10 - 01/31/14 at 05:00:02
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I'm a big fan of Silman's Complete Endgame Course. It should be everyone's first endgame book. Move on to the other books recommended here after you've mastered that one.
  

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Re: good endgame course
Reply #9 - 01/25/14 at 05:58:16
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a) Mastering the Endgame           -  Flear. [Practical complex endgames - 2100+ players]
b) Basic Chess Endings                 -  Fine.
c) Fundamental Chess Endings     -  Karsten Muller [Reference - 1700+]
d) Endgame Manual                      -  Dvoretsky [Standard positions and methods - 2000+]
e) Complete Endgame Course      -  Silman [Practical positions - all levels up to 2200, better for beginners and intermediate though because lots of prose]
f) Grandmaster Secrets/Endings   -  Soltis
g) Capablanca's best chess endings -  Chernev [practical endgame play - all levels]
  
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Re: good endgame course
Reply #8 - 12/05/13 at 10:23:33
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A very nice book, however I think it is best to read it after first achieving a basic grounding on technical endgames.
  

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Re: good endgame course
Reply #7 - 12/04/13 at 14:29:58
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Depending on your studying style you might also like Chess Endgame Training by Bernd Rosen; it's mostly learning through doing exercises rather than through reading. Another feature is that it's nice and short so you don't get overwhelmed with the amount of material like you can looking at FCE or Dvoretsky.
  
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Re: good endgame course
Reply #6 - 12/04/13 at 14:13:18
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My two favorites are De La Villa and Shereshevsky, but Amateur to IM was also enlightening and enjoyable to read, though not strictly an endgame text.
  
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Re: good endgame course
Reply #5 - 11/27/13 at 05:59:27
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GabrielGale wrote on 11/26/13 at 21:51:57:
The OP said endgame course and I take that to mean a structured systematic study of the endgame. However, I think there are at least two aspects to endgame study:
1) Technical positions (or techniques)
2) Endgame strategy, i.e. how to play/what to do.

So to properly study endgames, you have to study both.

I think that Pandolfini's book is good in one respect, it demonstrate the technique in chunks and teaches you to recognise and remember critical positions.
I think Silman's book is at equivalent level with Pandolfini. If OP has already finished with Pandolfini, very little else to learn from Silman (I might be wrong!). Better to move on to a slightly more advanced book.

For technical endgame positions:
I have to make a plug for John Nunn who (relatively recently) wrote Understanding Chess Endgames (which I think won a prize?) which is an introd/intermediate course on endgames and followed that up with Chess Endings 1 and Chess Endings 2 which are more advanced. But taken together forms a pretty good course in endgames.
Provided you like Nunn's style and the fact he has organised the books in short chapter-like chunks. Have a look at the sample pages.
Of course, as mentioned by Jupp53, there is Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual, of which Aagaard has said you need to learn the 222 endgame positions (in blue) which is the absolute minimum if you are serious about chess.
As also mentioned, there is the alternative (very good alternative) by Karsten Muller, Fundamental Chess Endgames.
As also mentioned, there is Jesus de la Villa's book on the 100 endgames you need to know.
There is also a 2007 book by Chess Stars, Marat Makarov's The Endgame.

Glenn Flear has written a series of books (culminating in his nuckie or NQE) on the endgame which can be utilised as a course in endgame.
Similarly, Efstratios Grivas has done the same.
Edmar mednis has also written a series of books which taken together comprised a course in endgame. He also has a book updated by Colin Crouch Rate Your Endgame, which is endgame by the solitaire method which a ChessPubber here is a geat fan of.

2) Endgame strategy:
Here I suggest besides the technical endgames as found in Nunn, Dvoretsky, Muller, Marat, you should also read Muller's How to play Endgames which I believe is his update of the Shereshevsky's classic Endgame Strategy. Of course the latter is also a candidate book and still good after all these years.
Also Jacob Aagaard's Excelling at Technical Chess is in the same vein.
There is also Lars Bo Hansen's Secrets Of Chess Endgame Strategy.
(and others)

For fun/puzzles there is Ger van Perlo's Endgame Tactics, Polgar's massive endgame book, and also Convekta's book on endgames puzzles, The Manual Of Chess Endings - Chess School 4.

As an alternative to endgame study as found in books above, i.e., very dry technical positions, and if you are happy to play chess and learn chess with not much of an ambition other than to improve gradually, my suggestion is to learn endgames by playing through annotated games.
I recently came across Steve Giddins' The Greatest Ever Chess Endgames which is fun. There are similar books like these.
If you are more serious, then John Donaldson&Nikolay Minev's 2 vol collection of Akiba Rubenstein's games (annotated) is an alternative which has been endorsed by very strong soviet GMs such as Gelfand.
An alternative to Rubenstein would be Tibor Karolyi's book on Karpov's endgames. Bear in mind you have to like Karolyi's style's of variations upon variations.
I believe there is an earlier book entitled Endgame Virtuoso but consist of games by Smyslov.

More advanced/not-comprehnesive stuff: Speelman's Analysing the Endgame; Hawkins' Amateur to IM, and lots more others.

PS, I like Slobodan Mirkovic's Chess School series but you must put up with very bad english. Part of what makes a good endgame book (or any chess book) is the choice of games, explanations etc, and I think the choice of games and examples in Mirkovic's books are good. Be aware that the books (vols 1-4) are not just endgame books but each comprise of three sections, tactics, strategy and endgame.

PSS. Endgame is something which needs to be enjoyed for one to persist. I find technical books very dry and have not been able to persist. I am now trying complete games method and will tackle Rubenstein and Karolyi's Karpov games soon. So, find a book you enjoy.




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Re: good endgame course
Reply #4 - 11/26/13 at 22:33:17
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Re: good endgame course
Reply #3 - 11/26/13 at 21:51:57
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The OP said endgame course and I take that to mean a structured systematic study of the endgame. However, I think there are at least two aspects to endgame study:
1) Technical positions (or techniques)
2) Endgame strategy, i.e. how to play/what to do.

So to properly study endgames, you have to study both.

I think that Pandolfini's book is good in one respect, it demonstrate the technique in chunks and teaches you to recognise and remember critical positions.
I think Silman's book is at equivalent level with Pandolfini. If OP has already finished with Pandolfini, very little else to learn from Silman (I might be wrong!). Better to move on to a slightly more advanced book.

For technical endgame positions:
I have to make a plug for John Nunn who (relatively recently) wrote Understanding Chess Endgames (which I think won a prize?) which is an introd/intermediate course on endgames and followed that up with Chess Endings 1 and Chess Endings 2 which are more advanced. But taken together forms a pretty good course in endgames.
Provided you like Nunn's style and the fact he has organised the books in short chapter-like chunks. Have a look at the sample pages.
Of course, as mentioned by Jupp53, there is Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual, of which Aagaard has said you need to learn the 222 endgame positions (in blue) which is the absolute minimum if you are serious about chess.
As also mentioned, there is the alternative (very good alternative) by Karsten Muller, Fundamental Chess Endgames.
As also mentioned, there is Jesus de la Villa's book on the 100 endgames you need to know.
There is also a 2007 book by Chess Stars, Marat Makarov's The Endgame.

Glenn Flear has written a series of books (culminating in his nuckie or NQE) on the endgame which can be utilised as a course in endgame.
Similarly, Efstratios Grivas has done the same.
Edmar mednis has also written a series of books which taken together comprised a course in endgame. He also has a book updated by Colin Crouch Rate Your Endgame, which is endgame by the solitaire method which a ChessPubber here is a geat fan of.

2) Endgame strategy:
Here I suggest besides the technical endgames as found in Nunn, Dvoretsky, Muller, Marat, you should also read Muller's How to play Endgames which I believe is his update of the Shereshevsky's classic Endgame Strategy. Of course the latter is also a candidate book and still good after all these years.
Also Jacob Aagaard's Excelling at Technical Chess is in the same vein.
There is also Lars Bo Hansen's Secrets Of Chess Endgame Strategy.
(and others)

For fun/puzzles there is Ger van Perlo's Endgame Tactics, Polgar's massive endgame book, and also Convekta's book on endgames puzzles, The Manual Of Chess Endings - Chess School 4.

As an alternative to endgame study as found in books above, i.e., very dry technical positions, and if you are happy to play chess and learn chess with not much of an ambition other than to improve gradually, my suggestion is to learn endgames by playing through annotated games.
I recently came across Steve Giddins' The Greatest Ever Chess Endgames which is fun. There are similar books like these.
If you are more serious, then John Donaldson&Nikolay Minev's 2 vol collection of Akiba Rubenstein's games (annotated) is an alternative which has been endorsed by very strong soviet GMs such as Gelfand.
An alternative to Rubenstein would be Tibor Karolyi's book on Karpov's endgames. Bear in mind you have to like Karolyi's style's of variations upon variations.
I believe there is an earlier book entitled Endgame Virtuoso but consist of games by Smyslov.

More advanced/not-comprehnesive stuff: Speelman's Analysing the Endgame; Hawkins' Amateur to IM, and lots more others.

PS, I like Slobodan Mirkovic's Chess School series but you must put up with very bad english. Part of what makes a good endgame book (or any chess book) is the choice of games, explanations etc, and I think the choice of games and examples in Mirkovic's books are good. Be aware that the books (vols 1-4) are not just endgame books but each comprise of three sections, tactics, strategy and endgame.

PSS. Endgame is something which needs to be enjoyed for one to persist. I find technical books very dry and have not been able to persist. I am now trying complete games method and will tackle Rubenstein and Karolyi's Karpov games soon. So, find a book you enjoy.
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Re: good endgame course
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Re: good endgame course
Reply #1 - 11/26/13 at 12:58:27
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There are several. It depends from your actual playing strength, your knowledge and the time you will study.

K. Müller or Dworetzki are great. For an average club player there's each De la Villa and Nunn and Makarov and the old single tome of Awerbach.

There is really good quality on the market. So you can buy something fitting your learning style and your level at chess.

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11/26/13 at 08:17:28
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Is there any good endgame course like pandolfini's endgame course...What do you recommend?
  
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