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Re: best line against French defense for below 1600 pl
Reply #35 - 02/25/14 at 00:46:50
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PANFR wrote on 02/19/14 at 23:46:28:
A sub-1600 player shouldn't care about openings - he has way more important things to learn.


I disagree with this.   

Let me state what I think is perhaps more beneficial to the OP -

A sub 1600 player would benefit very well from studying these types of positions, and to do so, select a line, as White, to tackle the French.  Learn it from videos or books which offer plenty of explanations.

Do that with the following - 

Studying well annotated games, watching videos of games in the French defense will help you a lot.
  

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Re: best line against French defense for below 1600 pl
Reply #34 - 02/19/14 at 23:46:28
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A sub-1600 player shouldn't care about openings - he has way more important things to learn.
  
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Re: best line against French defense for below 1600 pl
Reply #33 - 02/19/14 at 22:12:49
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 02/19/14 at 18:45:55:
Keano wrote on 02/19/14 at 16:18:13:
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An important thing - every time you play a game analyse it afterwards, you will be much more motivated to look at your own games rather than theory from books. Of course you can cross-check the theory then also and see what you should have played, you will be picking things up as you go along.


Excellent advice, for players of any rating level!


Agree, priceless and timeless advice ...
  
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Re: best line against French defense for below 1600 pl
Reply #32 - 02/19/14 at 21:30:10
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Keano wrote on 02/19/14 at 16:18:13:
Of course absorbing study material will help, but at that level I think you can just play and enjoy. Exposure to some of the things on the market now may do more harm than good.

An important thing - every time you play a game analyse it afterwards, you will be much more motivated to look at your own games rather than theory from books. Of course you can cross-check the theory then also and see what you should have played, you will be picking things up as you go along.


With no disrespect, re the first para "just play and enjoy", is this not a fallacy? This is the learning by doing and not learning by reading fallacy. Perhaps fallacy is too strong a word. Again there is a simplistic bifurcation into an either/or. As some has pointed out, everything has its place. Why reinvent the wheel when an opening book can quickly get you up to speed on the opening moves. To give a very simplistic example: Is it better to let a beginner play 1 e4 e5 2 Bc4 Nc6 3 Qh5 Nf6 4 Qxf7# or something like that. OR is it preferable to show a beginner things like that which can happen and avoid it?

I for one would actually like to survive an opening (roughly 10 moves) and play chess in the middlegame.

Perhaps the more refined answer is what books are relevant for a beginner and post-beginner player? Yes, A book such as Avrukh's  1 d4 is not suitable. But surely a book such as McDonald's How to Play Against 1 e4 or even Paul van der Sterren's Fundamental Chess Openings is not amiss. I would also point out that IMHO adults and children learn differently and hence the same advice does not work for both.

Re 2nd para, could not agree more.
  

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Re: best line against French defense for below 1600 pl
Reply #31 - 02/19/14 at 18:45:55
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Keano wrote on 02/19/14 at 16:18:13:
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An important thing - every time you play a game analyse it afterwards, you will be much more motivated to look at your own games rather than theory from books. Of course you can cross-check the theory then also and see what you should have played, you will be picking things up as you go along.


Excellent advice, for players of any rating level!
  
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Re: best line against French defense for below 1600 pl
Reply #30 - 02/19/14 at 16:18:13
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Of course absorbing study material will help, but at that level I think you can just play and enjoy. Exposure to some of the things on the market now may do more harm than good.

An important thing - every time you play a game analyse it afterwards, you will be much more motivated to look at your own games rather than theory from books. Of course you can cross-check the theory then also and see what you should have played, you will be picking things up as you go along.
  
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Re: best line against French defense for below 1600 pl
Reply #29 - 02/19/14 at 13:06:59
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Keano wrote on 02/19/14 at 01:06:16:
Forget about books, DVD's any other rubbish.

Look at the position. Think. Play what you like.


Of course that's possible, but not all books are rubbish.  You can play what you like but still have some material for study, especially if you're an improving player and haven't reached a fairly high standard of play yet (and sub-1600 players haven't).   

It doesn't have to be a huge theoretical tome; as an example I played the Ragozin (the Westphalia Defense) pretty successfully for a while based off of nothing more than reading the relevant section of Shereshevsky's Mastering the Endgame.  Even now that Barsky wrote his big tome, I'd still think that Shereshevsky's coverage is sufficient unless you're playing people rated above 2000 or so.
  
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Re: best line against French defense for below 1600 pl
Reply #28 - 02/19/14 at 10:25:09
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Keano wrote on 02/19/14 at 01:06:16:
Forget about books, DVD's any other rubbish.

Look at the position. Think. Play what you like.


Ditto, but for the record I also looked at Moskalenko and Baker (mentioned by Katar above). I happen to play the Velimirovic vs. Classical Sicilian, so Moskalenko made a lot of sense to me.

But I will be humble and add that you better put more weight on Inn2's advice, than on mine as I have never played the French from the Black side (apart from some friendlies).
  

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Re: best line against French defense for below 1600 pl
Reply #27 - 02/19/14 at 08:24:36
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ErictheRed wrote on 02/18/14 at 17:04:30:
I haven't seen McDonald's Starting Out: 1.e4, but that may be a good source for beginning with the Tarrasch, then moving on to Tzermiadianos' book as the player improves, etc. 


If the Tarrasch is the system of choice this Starting out book is indeed a good choice. I read quite some bad reviews about it but I think it's a good book. Of course it's not really in depth (how could it?!) but it's more useful than buying 7 specialized books a beginner will never look at. Sometimes reviewer act like a book is going to be the only source of information a reader will ever consult.
  
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Re: best line against French defense for below 1600 pl
Reply #26 - 02/19/14 at 01:06:16
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Forget about books, DVD's any other rubbish.

Look at the position. Think. Play what you like.
  
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Re: best line against French defense for below 1600 pl
Reply #25 - 02/18/14 at 18:18:44
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When i first started studying chess at age 25 i printed web articles and put them in a tabbed three-ring binder with handwritten notes and highlighter markings.  For the 2N French, I got by with a few web articles by Kenilworthian and also by searching the web for the "Jackal attack", a Two Knights variant.  The best single source for a club player may be Chris Baker's book "Startling Repertoire", covering short castling in the main variation.

Nigel Davies did a DVD for chessbase: "Classical steinitz french with 5.Nf3 in 60 minutes".  (Note that this is the mainline Two Knights from a different move order-- and it provides a retirement option so a player can "graduate" to a Classical Steinitz if you move beyond the 2N when you will still have the transposition option of 5.Nf3.)  Moskalenko has a chapter on the "Russian Roulette" in his book, the Flexible French.  Of course, a ChessPub subscription would also have annotated sample games.
  

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Re: best line against French defense for below 1600 pl
Reply #24 - 02/18/14 at 17:39:11
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ErictheRed wrote on 02/18/14 at 17:04:30:
Some good study material is more useful than anything else for improving players, in my opinion. 


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Re: best line against French defense for below 1600 pl
Reply #23 - 02/18/14 at 17:04:30
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One thing stronger players often forget but that needs serious consideration is: what study material is available?  A good book, article, or chapter on a particular line will go very far to making any variation accessible to improving players.  I like the 2-knights suggestion but am not sure what to recommend as study material.  I haven't seen McDonald's Starting Out: 1.e4, but that may be a good source for beginning with the Tarrasch, then moving on to Tzermiadianos' book as the player improves, etc.   

Some good study material is more useful than anything else for improving players, in my opinion.
  
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Re: best line against French defense for below 1600 pl
Reply #22 - 02/18/14 at 16:33:18
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If I was 1600 again I would learn 3. Nc3. 

Against the Winawer, specialise in a decent sideline either solid (e.g. 5. Bd2) or sharp (e.g. 4. a3).

Against 3... Nf6 play 4. Bg5 and aim for the Alekhine-Chatard which is quite a pleasure to play. 

Burns and Rubinsteins are easy to play for White- aim for queenside castling. 

The most difficult task is the MacCutcheon. No shortcuts there but 6. Bd2 mainline is rather straightforward for White side. 

The best thing about 3. Nc3 is that it will become more and more effective as you get stronger (unlike say, the 2 knights - which you may feel like giving up when you reach 2000).
  
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Re: best line against French defense for below 1600 pl
Reply #21 - 02/18/14 at 09:31:48
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I would suggest the 2 Kinghts variation, as mentioned already above. Depending on what you play vs. the Sicilian you start with 1. e4 e6 and now either 2. Nc3 (Closed Sicilian or GP) or 2. Nf3 (Open Sicilian, etc.).

I have also tried the Tarrasch and the Advance (both Milner-Barry and MLs), plus the Advance vs. the Caro-Kann (has some similarities). I think that these lines require more concrete play when you start playing vs. stronger opponents.

The 2 Knights make sense as a starting point and may be gradually substituted in the future with other interesting (main) lines. Somebody in this forum has suggested this approach but I cannot remember (I think it was BPaulsen?!? - advice was directed to a young White player iirc).
  

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