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Re: best line against French defense for below 1600 pl
Reply #50 - 02/21/15 at 00:30:26
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I think the best line is the Monte Carlo French with 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 exd5 4.c4, which leads to an interesting game where a lot of 1600-rated French players feel uncomfortable as Black.  See analysis here:
http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/games/java/2009/fr-ex-c4.htm

I also agree that the opening is not as important to study as other things at 1600.  But all the more reason, then, to play a line like this where you really learn about piece play and tactics -- and maybe about isolani positions.
  
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Re: best line against French defense for below 1600 pl
Reply #49 - 09/23/14 at 05:56:12
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The Exchange variation with Bf4,Nc3,Qd2 and 0-0-0 as explained in http://www.chesscafe.com/text/abby20.pdf also looks a good try...but I think this line will work till a certain level, afterwards you have to change the line as it does not guaranttee any advantage for white...but still a playable and intresting option
  
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Re: best line against French defense for below 1600 pl
Reply #48 - 04/12/14 at 17:25:43
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There is also the method put forth in Fighting the French: A new concept where the author mostly advocates isolated "d-pawn" positions.
  
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Re: best line against French defense for below 1600 pl
Reply #47 - 04/12/14 at 12:23:17
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chandrashekharkoravi wrote on 04/11/14 at 14:23:58:
Keano wrote on 04/11/14 at 12:21:02:
chandrashekharkoravi wrote on 03/04/14 at 17:20:14:


I came up with this line against g5 still I am working against g6 and Kf8


You forgot to take Banyoles out of your game.  

You have copied the game Aroshidze-Moskalenko, Banyoles 2007.


Yes its the same moves but I think Ng6 is a better move than c4 which happened in the game and might be a strong novelty...I will post my analysis sometimes...cant post it here as its for below 1600 player  Wink


This "strong novelty" is of use to no one--neither to you, nor to a grandmaster, nor to a 1600 player--as Aroshidze branched off of prior theory on move 8. No one will ever reach your "improvement" on move 17, because Black's play is in no way forced, and there are lots of decent alternatives much earlier. 9...c5 may be better than the text; 11...Nc6 may be better than the text; 14...Nf8 may be better than the text; and even 15...Nd5, at the last moment, prevents your idea. All these moves can be found as easily by others as by me, Komodo TCEC, Ph.D. Yet none of them changes the basic evaluation after Aroshidze's eighth move.

You seem to have the misconception that any random computer improvement at any point in a game constitutes theory worthy of posting in this forum. Yet such "improvements" swarm over middlegame  positions like mosquitoes, and are about as significant. They give neither positional insight nor opening guidance. We don't want to see them.

A strong novelty must reverse the evaluation of the line at its branching point.
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Re: best line against French defense for below 1600 pl
Reply #46 - 04/11/14 at 17:45:42
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OrangeCounty wrote on 04/10/14 at 21:07:47:
ErictheRed wrote on 02/16/14 at 22:12:22:

Having said that, I usually recommend the Tarrasch as I think it's practical for club players to avoid the Winawer.  ....


I second this remark.  When I was "coming up" and a 1400-1700 player, I hated facing the Winawer French.    ...

These guys make a good point. I agree mainline Winawer with the Qg4 stuff seems messy/random and counterintuitive but i think 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.exd5 can be recommended as a logical and intuitive anti-Winawer.  This was the original mainline until the 1930s when folks figured out that e4-e5 is a better try for an objective advantage.  I don't think it is without poison -- e.g., Carlsen beat Vallejo and Ray Robson seems to rely on it heavily.
3.Nc3 also aims for the Alekhine Chatard gambit which surely is the sort of thing that the target audience should be playing.  Mccutcheon is something else to deal with, but not overly troubling.
Anyway, wanted to mention the above as an anti-French hacking repertoire that I personally like a lot.  Not that i necessarily recommend such materials, but FYI these "White vs. French" systems were covered in Lakdawalla's "ferocious" book as well as a Daniel King chessbase dvd.  These are all opinions and ultimately a student is encouraged to play what looks fun and natural while still being sound.
  

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Re: best line against French defense for below 1600 pl
Reply #45 - 04/11/14 at 14:23:58
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Keano wrote on 04/11/14 at 12:21:02:
chandrashekharkoravi wrote on 03/04/14 at 17:20:14:


I came up with this line against g5 still I am working against g6 and Kf8


You forgot to take Banyoles out of your game.  

You have copied the game Aroshidze-Moskalenko, Banyoles 2007.


Yes its the same moves but I think Ng6 is a better move than c4 which happened in the game and might be a strong novelty...I will post my analysis sometimes...cant post it here as its for below 1600 player  Wink
  
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Reply #44 - 04/11/14 at 12:27:31
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Perhaps he played exactly the same line in the same place.
Ahem.
Chandra - what are you doing exactly?
  
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Re: best line against French defense for below 1600 pl
Reply #43 - 04/11/14 at 12:21:02
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chandrashekharkoravi wrote on 03/04/14 at 17:20:14:


I came up with this line against g5 still I am working against g6 and Kf8


You forgot to take Banyoles out of your game.   

You have copied the game Aroshidze-Moskalenko, Banyoles 2007.
  
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Re: best line against French defense for below 1600 pl
Reply #42 - 04/10/14 at 21:07:47
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ErictheRed wrote on 02/16/14 at 22:12:22:

Having said that, I usually recommend the Tarrasch as I think it's practical for club players to avoid the Winawer.  Actually I never gave it much thought, but I had quite a few 1400-1700ish players tell me that they hated facing the Winawer, so that's the most obvious other choice. At lower levels where we aren't too concerned about theory, White basically gets 1) play against an isolated pawn after 3...c5, 2) a lead in development after 3...c5 4.ed Qxd5, 3) a freer game after 3...dxe4, or 4) a big space advantage after 3...Nf6 4.e5.  Once you convince White that it's OK to temporarily block in the c1-bishop, the positions White gets are a bit simpler and clearer than in the Winawer, at least.


I second this remark.  When I was "coming up" and a 1400-1700 player, I hated facing the Winawer French.  Playing it requires some pretty non-according-to-Hoyle ideas (like breaking up your own pawns with dxc5) so it's hard for amateurs to handle and everything depends on the discrete tactics.

I won a nice game in my last tournament after 1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 Bb4 4 e5 c5 5 a3 Bxc3 6 bxc3 Ne7 7 Qg4 0-0, though, so it's a good line when you figure it out.
  
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Re: best line against French defense for below 1600 pl
Reply #41 - 03/04/14 at 18:27:38
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chandrashekharkoravi wrote on 03/04/14 at 17:20:14:


I came up with this line against g5 still I am working against g6 and Kf8


*** mod pov *** : if you want to post more on C12 McCutcheon...one new specific thread would be better (than current thread, topic is: "best line....for below 1600")...you surely understand what is an easy browsing chess forum.  Smiley
  

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I came up with this line against g5 still I am working against g6 and Kf8
  
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Re: best line against French defense for below 1600 pl
Reply #39 - 03/01/14 at 08:34:24
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chandrashekharkoravi wrote on 03/01/14 at 05:45:03:
Watson says that Be3 is the dangerous line in maccutcheon variation.What do you say is this line good???
Yes!!!
  
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Reply #38 - 03/01/14 at 06:59:16
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chandrashekharkoravi wrote on 03/01/14 at 05:45:03:
Watson says that Be3 is the dangerous line in maccutcheon variation.What do you say is this line good???

What do *you* think? Offer ideas, share what you think as a starter, and you will get responses.
Currently you appear to offer little. Tiresome.
  
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Re: best line against French defense for below 1600 pl
Reply #37 - 03/01/14 at 05:45:03
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Watson says that Be3 is the dangerous line in maccutcheon variation.What do you say is this line good???
  
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Re: best line against French defense for below 1600 pl
Reply #36 - 02/25/14 at 08:56:45
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ErictheRed wrote on 02/19/14 at 13:06:59:
Keano wrote on 02/19/14 at 01:06:16:
Forget about books, DVD's any other rubbish.

Look at the position. Think. Play what you like.


Of course that's possible, but not all books are rubbish.  You can play what you like but still have some material for study, especially if you're an improving player and haven't reached a fairly high standard of play yet (and sub-1600 players haven't).  

It doesn't have to be a huge theoretical tome; as an example I played the Ragozin (the Westphalia Defense) pretty successfully for a while based off of nothing more than reading the relevant section of Shereshevsky's Mastering the Endgame.  Even now that Barsky wrote his big tome, I'd still think that Shereshevsky's coverage is sufficient unless you're playing people rated above 2000 or so. 


Of course, I was talking about sub 1600 specifically junior players, where books can do more harm than good.
  
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