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Re: Repertoire Critique
Reply #22 - 02/28/14 at 11:21:58
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Well 19 posts without being chastised is better than some have managed, Seraph (which is kind of a funny name considering your avatar, unless you mean that you are burning with anger).  But anyway most people will expect you to contribute with some moves/analysis, i.e. instead of "there's a line against that," "after 6.Bc4 the best line for Black is" and then actually supply some moves.  

And FYI (something that took me a long time to realize around here), many of the people (perhaps even most?) that post are correspondence players, so the sort of practical, good-for-an-over-the-board-try type stuff doesn't always go over super well here.  Not that I think 4...Ne4 is good for over-the-board, but you get my drift.
  
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Re: Repertoire Critique
Reply #21 - 02/28/14 at 09:41:28
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Seraph wrote on 02/28/14 at 01:53:45:
But at the class level, just about anything goes

Sure, Then why bother about a repertoire?

Seraph wrote on 02/28/14 at 01:53:45:
Unless I am in the wrong forum and everyone here is a GM but me.

Yes, you might be at the wrong forum - here we like to find out which lines are equal, which ones a little better and which ones dubious. If you want to play dubious stuff nobody is going to prevent you though.

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There is a line against that.

Apparently not.
  

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Re: Repertoire Critique
Reply #20 - 02/28/14 at 01:53:45
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At the GM level, sure it's dubious. But at the class level, just about anything goes because someone will lose due to a tactical oversight more than anything else. Unless I am in the wrong forum and everyone here is a GM but me.
  
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Re: Repertoire Critique
Reply #19 - 02/28/14 at 00:23:26
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Agree 6. Bc4 is a very good practical move. Problematic line for Black, maybe best reserved for blitz.
  
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Re: Repertoire Critique
Reply #18 - 02/27/14 at 21:52:31
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Seraph wrote on 02/27/14 at 21:00:04:

Why?

For one thing Black scores 30% with 6...a6.

Seraph wrote on 02/27/14 at 21:00:04:

6. .. a6. There is a line against that.

For another thing Black got crushed in games like Pedzich-Przewoznik, POLch 1990 and Psakhis-Kobalija, Wien 1996. If you have a remedy for 7.a4 b6 8.Nh3 Bb7 9.Nf4 with d4-d5 always hanging in the air I'd very much like to know it.
After that you must address 7.Bb3 as well, White scoring 5/5 in my database (with some pretty strong players involved).
  

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Reply #17 - 02/27/14 at 21:00:04
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MNb wrote on 02/26/14 at 16:49:03:
Seraph wrote on 02/26/14 at 12:30:44:
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2(Nc3) Nf6 4. e5 Ne4!?

Black is in big trouble after 5.Nxe4 dxe4 6.Bc4.


Why? 6. .. a6. There is a line against that.
  
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Re: Repertoire Critique
Reply #16 - 02/26/14 at 16:49:03
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Seraph wrote on 02/26/14 at 12:30:44:
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2(Nc3) Nf6 4. e5 Ne4!?

Black is in big trouble after 5.Nxe4 dxe4 6.Bc4.
  

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Re: Repertoire Critique
Reply #15 - 02/26/14 at 12:30:44
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I used to play the French during a time where my philosophy was as such: 

"1e4 players want a fast open game, so I would slow it down with the French Defense (I would castle long or not even at all since the game was pretty much closed up.) ; 1d4 players want a slow developing game, so I would speed it up with the Chigorin Defense." Plus, I needed something against the BDG. Cheesy

But as time went on, I needed something more active and different. All I knew was the French and I still feared Double KP games for both sides at the time. I found an interesting sideline in and old book - Harding's "The Classical French"

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2(Nc3) Nf6 4. e5 Ne4!?

I was able to go over a few lines with IM Lapshun a long time ago. He showed me what I had to be aware of, not how to attack. (Funny that, the masters I know always "block before punch".) The N on e4 might get trapped, so an f6 was necessary in the Nc3 lines where white does not allow an exchange but chases the N starting with f3.
  
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Re: Repertoire Critique
Reply #14 - 02/26/14 at 06:38:24
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I'm about the same strength as Isolated_Pawn.

I start all my games with 1.e4 and go for the 4N-Scotch.

Against the Sicilian I play open games with 6.Be2. I don't see the point of playing closed games, on my level. Even if my opponents are "booked up", they are mostly weak players like me, and don't really understand their favourite pet line. Even so when we get out of the book, our chess knowledge will decide the game. Not the opening.

Against 1.e4 I have taken up the Scandinavian with 2...Nf6. It's all-in-one defence against 1.e4, and the white player don't have so many (if any) options then play it.

I have also tried the French, which also is a sort of all-in-one defence against 1.e4, but I don't like the closed positions, which often arise.

Against 1.d4, 1.c4 and flank openings, I try to go for the QGD-Tarrasch. I often get a isolated pawn, which I don't like. But there are not so many other openings against 1.d4, where you will get a open game. One option is the Benko Gambit. I have looked at it, but feel the play gets too complicated for me.
  
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Re: Repertoire Critique
Reply #13 - 02/26/14 at 01:21:07
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Thanks, after the first two minutes of the video ("playing according to the principles of Morphy and Dr. Tarrasch"), I am hooked.  I am going to watch these and try the Berlin Defense, maybe I will be the Kramnik of Class C Smiley

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Re: Repertoire Critique
Reply #12 - 02/26/14 at 01:16:30
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Isolated_Pawn wrote on 02/26/14 at 01:08:44:
I would love to watch your 1. e4 e5 videos if they are publically available anywhere.

http://www.chessvideos.tv/wiki/index.php/Katar#Complete_1.e4_e5_Opening_Repertoi...
To be honest the production quality is terrible, this was all extemporaneous/unscripted, one-take-only, with zero do-overs and if I had realized it would live online in perpetuity with 40,000+ views I would have bothered to make it better.  You get what you pay for, though. Smiley
  

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Re: Repertoire Critique
Reply #11 - 02/26/14 at 01:08:44
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Yes, the French is internally inconsistant with the goal of getting open games.  However, I thought it might be advantageous to learn from both sides, if I have to play it as white.  There are at least two people at my club that play it as black.

And I personally don't really mind closed positions.  I just read (I can't remember where, perhaps Heisman), that class players should play open games.  Should I disregard this?

I'm really not sure what to do now. 

I would love to watch your 1. e4 e5 videos if they are publically available anywhere.
  
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Re: Repertoire Critique
Reply #10 - 02/26/14 at 00:43:11
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I am thoroughly confused because you came here saying you want an open attacking game, and now youre considering the French which is the least "open" of any possible defense to 1.e4.  So we are back at square one without any meaningful criteria really.

Of course there is nothing wrong with any major defense to 1.e4.  You have to trust yourself and follow your personal taste and intuition.  Whatever you are inclined to play, play that.  Personally i find 1.e4 e5 to be the simplest and most intuitively logical - i even made a hobbyist-level repertoire video series on it.  Others will find Sicilian Dragon or French to be more appealing.  To each his own, you know.  You are rated 1500 so you must have developed some opinions, tastes, preferences, or favorite players by now.  So trust yourself.  What looks fun to you?  Chess is about having fun.

Anyway, if you are inclined to play French i would suggest McDonald's truly excellent book, How to Play Against 1.e4.  This book is snappy, concise, and helpful.
  

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Re: Repertoire Critique
Reply #9 - 02/26/14 at 00:36:53
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You know Isolated_Pawn, it really doesn't matter.  I don't mean that in a disparaging or dismissive way, but by and large it doesn't really matter what you play.  Try to pick variations that are rich and broad in scope, not one trick ponies.  In other words the various Four Knights openings are fine, as is the Italian Game, Ruy Lopez, Scotch, maybe the Vienna, but the Danish Gambit is not (except as an occasional try).  

And try to pick openings that follow the time-honored rules of developing pieces to the center rapidly, don't go off pawn grabbing, and don't leave weak squares behind.  No Abrahams/Noteboom or Leningrad Dutch or Sveshnikov.  Other than that, it really doesn't matter what you play.  Just play what interests you.  If you have some chess heroes like Botvinnik and Korchnoi, play what they played--why wouldn't you?  

Maybe that doesn't sound helpful, but you're going to get nearly as many recommendations as you get people to respond.  Pick openings that don't break a bunch of general principles, that interest you somehow, that your heroes played, and don't care about what other people think of them.  And don't be afraid to drop them and try something else later.
  
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Re: Repertoire Critique
Reply #8 - 02/26/14 at 00:16:00
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Thanks.  There is some great advice here and it is along the lines of what I was thinking.  I have chosen not to play the Sveshnikov and not to play the Dutch.

Now I have a follow-up question.

There were comments that I may consider another line vs the French than the Monte Carlo exchange.  I had previously considered this line to be pretty much equivilent to the panov-botvinnik in the Caro Kann, but I understand now that it isn't quite that simple.  It was recommended that I pick up the classical French.

And, to be honest, I am not feeling so good with the Petroff as my defense to e4.  I mainly chose it because it is not 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 ... which allows white to have several third moves, the primary one (Bb5) being somewhat intimidating to me from a opening study perspective.  But, in testing games, I am just not identifying with the opening that well.  That's why I was looking into the sicilian really.

So, given that I want to learn the white side of the French, and I don't like my 1. e4 defense, would it make sense to pick up the French as black as well?  I understand the ideas behind it somewhat, and there is an overview in my Artur Yusupov training books.   

I have not tried playing with it but it does look awkward to me.  However, I admire Botvinnik and Korchnoi as two of my favorite players.   

So, do you think it is worth looking at?

Should I consider the Winawer line or the classical?
  
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