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Re: Repertoire Critique
Reply #7 - 02/25/14 at 13:19:21
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ErictheRed wrote on 02/25/14 at 01:17:14:
 

Maybe pick up some kind of "complete 1.e4 repertoire book" to give you an idea of what to do against the various sidelines like Alekhine's, the Scandinavian, etc.  I don't have a particular one to recommend.  Andrew Greet wrote a pretty good one only on sidelines, but it may be too big/overkill for now.  Just something like John Emms' Attacking with 1.e4 or Sam Collins' book or Neil McDonald's Starting Out: 1.e4.  


I love the Starting Out book. But I only use it for non-1.e4 e5 lines. I mainly play the Evans Gambit or against the Two Knights Defense in double KP games. As black it is the Two Knights (Ulvestad vs 4.Ng5)/Berlin Wall against 1.e4 and the Tchigorin against 1.d4 - black gets his pieces out very fast.

The double KP suggestions in the Starting Out: 1.e4 are too quiet for my tastes, but are pretty solid. However, I tend to misplay quiet positional games, especially when there is no 'contact point' (i.e. playing against a hedgehog or hippo).
  
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Re: Repertoire Critique
Reply #6 - 02/25/14 at 12:59:53
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The Scottish Four Knights is a bit tame. You might like to consult this site:

http://tws27.weebly.com/
  

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Re: Repertoire Critique
Reply #5 - 02/25/14 at 09:03:10
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You already received very good advices.

Regarding your 2 major questions, I fully agree with Aziridine, Petroff and Tarrasch will give you open games, without too much theory. With the Tarrasch, it's also very convenient to meet 1.c4 and 1.Nf3, probably more so than the Leningrad.

For the Sicilian, I would rather play 2.c3 for now. Youl'll have an isolated pawn almost always after 2...d5 and also sometimes after 2....Nf6. If you want consistency, you should be ready to transpose to a French advance after 2...e6.

For the French, I think the exchange variation is fully playable, but I would prefer the French advance (espescially if you play 2.c3 against the Sicilian). It will give you a feeling for pawn chains and closed centre that you'll get in no other opening you're playing. A little bit of variety is nice if you want to improve.

Whatever you choose, good luck with your chess!
  
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Re: Repertoire Critique
Reply #4 - 02/25/14 at 02:46:07
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Checking my database, I notice that GM Miezis has played the Exchange French with 4.c4 198 times!  Incredible.  So I guess it's playable after all.  Miezis is certainly an exception, though.   

I will admit to not understanding the appeal at all, as after casually glancing through many of those games, in the vast majority of them he just got the White side of a QGA a tempo down (1.d4 d5 2.c4 dc 3.e3 e5 4.Bxc4 ed 5.ed is the line), as his opponents waited until after he played Bf1-d3 to take on c4.   

Regardless of whether tempi mean anything in chess or not, I'd recommend something a little more "broad" against the French.  If you play this way you will become extremely easy to prepare for by your club-mates.  If you get stuck trying to find much against them, you won't have an easy way to deviate within your opening complex to pose them problems as you do after the Four Knights (you can play the Spanish, Belgrade, 4.g3, etc in addition to the Scotch).  If you play 3.Nc3 and start having trouble in the 7.Qg4 Winawer, you can play 7.Nf3.  Or the immediate 4.a3, or head for a quieter game with 4.Nge2, etc.   

Regardless of the objective theoretical merit of the Exchange French, it's a very limited way to attempt to put pressure on Black and not suitable for a primary line, IMO.  Something you wheel out from time to time when you want a break from your regular stuff, or for a few tournaments, sure, but for years?  No thanks.
  
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Re: Repertoire Critique
Reply #3 - 02/25/14 at 01:56:47
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Isolated_Pawn wrote on 02/25/14 at 00:01:01:

Repertoire should foster an open, attacking style.
...I don't want to spend a huge amount of time studying openings.

Then definitely go for the Petroff over the Sveshnikov (too much theory), and the Tarrasch over the Leningrad (the positions you get are not really "open").
  
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Re: Repertoire Critique
Reply #2 - 02/25/14 at 01:35:57
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Re: 1.e4 as White, please see this thread on a similar question.
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1371180724/0
My only "new" thought is to say that you might find the Scotch Four Knights to be rather boring.  Maybe not-- I dont know, b/c I am not you.  There are plenty of fun options on the White side of 1.e4 e5-- the 4.Ng5 Two Knights & Evans Gambit are rather interesting for both sides, highly educational, and playable at any level.  Obviously nothing is wrong with Scotch 4N-- it is simply up to you.  I respectfully disagree with ErictheRed about the Exchange French, but that is already hashed out in the above thread.
Isolated_Pawn wrote on 02/25/14 at 00:01:01:

As black:
Versus 1. e4.  Here I have a dilemma.  The opening that I would like to play, ultimately, is the sicilian defense.  Specifically, I think the Sveshnikov variation would be a good fit for me. ...
Versus 1. d4, another dilemma.  The Leningrad Dutch seems like a great way to get a counterattack without the massive amount of variations in the KID and Grunfeld.  ....
So what are your thoughts?  The main dilemmas I have is Petroff vs Sicilian and Dutch vs Tarrasch.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I don't think 1.e4 e5 as Black is "necessary" since you will be playing 1.e4 as White and you will still get practice in the 1.e4 e5 open games.  Personally I am not a fan of Sveshnikov, but I am not you.  ErictheRed mentioned "Meeting 1.e4" and I would suggest this nice little white and blue book by Raetsky from 10-12 years ago as a starting point.  This is a complete 1.e4 c5 repertoire and it could nicely transition into a Sveshnikov when after 1e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3d4 cd 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 instead of 5...e6 as in the Raetsky book you upgrade to 5...e5 to a Sveshnikov.  When you make that upgrade/transition you would already have all the deviations handled up to move 6.

Similarly you will get IQP practice with your French/CK lines as white.  So I don't think Tarrasch is necessary.  It turns out the companion book to Raetsky "Meeting 1.d4" covers the Tarrasch.  It is "Meeting 1.d4" by Aagaard-- a wonderful little book that covers everything after 1.d4 d5!  It seems you are excited about Leningrad.  I am not a Leningrad fan but your personal intuition and passion counts for a lot!  Chess is supposed to be fun you know.  Just be forewarned you're gonna face 80% anti-Sicilians and anti-Dutches.  You might find all this crap with h2-h4-h5 and snap attacks with Qb3 and Ng5 are no fun at all, not to mention random anti-Dutches with g4, h3 and g4, Staunton gambit, Bg5 and Nc3 lines, ad infinitum.  This can bog you down in opening minutiae unfortunately.

So I would suggest Raetsky "Meeting 1.e4" and either Aagaard "Meeting 1.d4" or Mcdonald "Play the Dutch".  Either way, two slim books would sort you out completely as Black for the foreseeable future.
  

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Re: Repertoire Critique
Reply #1 - 02/25/14 at 01:17:14
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Few openings are so poor that you genuinely have to throw them away some day, at least as long as you're playing main lines.  The trick is to pick openings that are rich and broad, and that you can vary your approach with over the years.  You will get bored with playing the same thing over and over, at least in some openings. 

The Scotch Four Knights is probably fine; you can mix in the Spanish Four Knights and Belgrade Gambit for variety at times.  Later if you decide to play the pure Scotch or the pure Spanish, you will already know what to do when Black plays 2...d6, 2...f5, or 2...Nf6, for instance.  So it leaves you with room to grow should you want to.   

Play the Open Sicilian, don't fear it, just be prepared to study a fascinating opening a little bit.  Maybe start with Tim Taylor's book, which generally avoids the most theoretical lines but still offers chances for advantage.  Also there is Nigel Davies' older book based on 6.g3; some lines might need some updating eventually, but the 6.g3 approach is quite underestimated and perfectly good.  Basically, you just want to pick some somewhat less popular (but still good lines that have been played by the world's best players) and specialize in them.

Obviously the Panov-Botvinnik attack is fine.

I would recommend NOT playing the Exchange French with 4.c4.  It just offers White so little--why should it give him an advantage, anyway?  You free Black's light-squared bishop and head for an isolated pawn position too early, i.e. before Black has had to make any kind of concession.  If you really insist on playing this way, you should start with 4.Nf3 and play 4...Bd6 5.c4 for instance, when the bishop isn't on the best square for IQP structures (supposedly).  White still has next to nothing, however.  This is the weakest part of your repertoire, and you will not likely be able to play this successfully all the way up to 2000.  Not that you can't play it on occasion, but if it's all you ever play you'll be extremely easy to prepare for and you're putting essentially no pressure on Black.

We have a thread in the French section; take a look at it to get some ideas.   

Maybe pick up some kind of "complete 1.e4 repertoire book" to give you an idea of what to do against the various sidelines like Alekhine's, the Scandinavian, etc.  I don't have a particular one to recommend.  Andrew Greet wrote a pretty good one only on sidelines, but it may be too big/overkill for now.  Just something like John Emms' Attacking with 1.e4 or Sam Collins' book or Neil McDonald's Starting Out: 1.e4.   

Versus 1.e4, play the Sicilian Defense if you want to.  Don't waste your time with another opening, you'll never be "ready" for the Sicilian later, just start playing it now.  I played it when I was unrated, and when I was rated 928 (my first provisional rating), and when I was rated 1100...all the way up until now (with a few side excursions like the French, Alekhine, and Caro over the many years).   

Do NOT play the Sveshnikov, however.  For all of your openings, play openings that are straightforward, that develop pieces rapidly and logically to the center, and that don't lead to insane messes or anti-positional holes in the middle of your position.  I know that someone is going to come along now and talk about how great the Sveshnikov is, how it isn't really anti-positional, blah blah, but the truth is: it is.  It's also completely sound for mysterious and dynamic reasons, but you've got a huge hole on d5, doubled f-pawns, and the position is such a mess that any slip could be fatal.   

Instead play the Dragon, or the Accelerated Dragon, or the Scheveningen, or the Classical, possibly another one.  You could do FAR worse than just buying Craig Pritchett's Starting Out: Sicilian Scheveningen book and one other to deal with sidelines.  Something smaller for the sidelines again, like Meeting 1.e4 or the older Beating the Anti-Sicilians.   

Do not play the Dutch, either, for the same reasons you should not play the Sveshnikov.  You aren't ready to break all the rules yet.  If you like the Tarrasch, play the Tarrasch!  Get a smaller (digestible) book like Meeting 1.d4 and you're basically set all the way up until 2000.
  
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02/25/14 at 00:01:01
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Hello,

I am a ~1500 player and am interested in building my first real opening repertoire, and I was hoping someone here could look it over and maybe offer me some advice, if that's OK.  I hope I am not breaking any rules or anything.

Right now I mainly play by opening principles, and I am beginning to want a little bit more structure in my openings (but I don't want to take too much time away from tactics and endgame practice).  I have tried "systems" before like playing only KIA/KID/Pirc (I know these are legit openings, but I think the way they are supposed to be played requires a level finesse that I don't have), London/Colle, and I did not have very much success.

My requirements are fairly simple:

-Repertoire should foster an open, attacking style.  I like to attack and have read that players at my level should try to play open games.  I spent the majority of my time practicing tactics, so this is good.

-I don't want to spend a huge amount of time studying openings, but on the same hand I don't want to invest any time at all into a poor opening that I will have to throw away one day.  My ambition is to get to 2000, so any openings that I pick should be good to that level, in order to minimize re-work.


And here is what I have come up with:

As white, the clear choice to get an open game is 1. e4.

Against 1. e4 e5, I will play the Scotch Four Knight's Game with Nxc6, reached from the Four Knight's Game move order.  Using the Four Knights move order prevents ... Qf6 after Nxc6, which is the most difficult line for White, and the most theoretically complex.

Against 1. e4 e6 and 1. e4 c6 I will play the Monte Carlo Exchange Variation and Panov-Botvinnik attack, respectively.  Both of these openings allow us to get an open game quickly and give good attacking chances and piece play with the IQP pawn structure.

Against 1. e4 c5 I will *gradually* learn the basics of the open sicilian.  I understand that anti-sicilian lines may be adequate, but it seems that if we want to play an *attacking* game and not play down a pawn, the open sicilian is the way to go.

Against anything else I will just play by ear and look it up if it keeps coming up.  I understand the ideas behind the 150 attack versus the Pirc and I have never actually had anyone play Alekhine's defense versus me.


As black:

Versus 1. e4.  Here I have a dilemma.  The opening that I would like to play, ultimately, is the sicilian defense.  Specifically, I think the Sveshnikov variation would be a good fit for me.  But, I understand that the sicilian is massively complex to play.  So, I was thinking that maybe I would start with the Petroff, and move to the Sicilian later (once I have better positional understanding and some experience playing the white side).  Then, I can play the Petroff when I want a draw, and the Svesh when I want a win.

Versus 1. d4, another dilemma.  The Leningrad Dutch seems like a great way to get a counterattack without the massive amount of variations in the KID and Grunfeld.  But, I don't know if I should be playing hypermodern/fianchettos at all at this point anyway.  The alternative would be the Tarrasch defense, which opens the game up and synergizes with my white openings vs french and caro kann (all give me an IQP).

I think I can get 1. c4 and 1. Nf3 to transpose reasonably enough to play Tarrasch or Dutch like structures versus them (at least at my level).  If not, I am OK playing by ear.


So what are your thoughts?  The main dilemmas I have is Petroff vs Sicilian and Dutch vs Tarrasch.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
  
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