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Re: Ordkhonikidze
Reply #17 - 04/04/14 at 08:46:36
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IMJohnCox wrote on 04/02/14 at 09:36:56:
You see a lot of Soviet games from the 60's and 70's which took place in tournaments called this. I always had the impression (I'm not sure how) that these tournaments were somehow qualifiers for the Soviet Championship, and that the word itself presumably meant 'qualifier' or something similar.

However, on reading Soltis' book on Botvinnik I find that Mr O was a character in 1930's Soviet chess (naturally eventually liquidated). Since it seems unlikely that he was named Mr Qualifier, I suppose I must have been wrong before. But why were all these tournaments called that? There seems to have been a warship called Ordkhonikidze which a British war hero died while attempting to do something underwater to in 1958, but that doesn't help much. Is it just a place after all? Any Russian chess experts know?


I'm bit confused about your question. You deal a lot with Mr. Ordkhonikidze as the reason a tournament was named like that. I can't imagine that his influence in chess or chess politics was big enough to brand a whole tournament series after him.
It is surely much simpler to take it as it nearly allways is: The tournaments were named after the town where they took place.
So a brief wikipedia-research reveals, that there are at least two towns in the former USSR named Ordkhonikidze, not to mention several villages. One  (with 41.000 inhabitants) can be found in Ukraine near Dnipropetrowsk. But much more interesting is the other one, which is now called Vladikavkaz - with about 310.000 inhabitants a real capital sited in Ossetia, Cacasus.
"From 1931 to 1944 and from 1954 to 1990, its name in both Russian and Ossetic languages was Ordzhonikidze" says http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladikavkaz.
I think that's the answer. These tournaments took place in the Caucasus-capital.
  

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Re: Ordkhonikidze
Reply #16 - 04/04/14 at 08:32:49
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I think plenty of hill walking chess players, partially because of the shared solitude Smiley 

Climbing is maybe a slightly rarer activity. Although it might not be a coincidence that Sheffield always seems to have masses of chess and bridge players.....
(Stanage edge etc is next door and a mecca for UK climbing.).
  
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Re: Ordkhonikidze
Reply #15 - 04/04/14 at 06:54:32
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I am a climber (no, not alps, mainly bouldering) and bird-watcher, but combining them at the same time can be fatal I think. Chess is more peaceful  Grin

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Re: Ordkhonikidze
Reply #14 - 04/03/14 at 22:30:46
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IMJohnCox wrote on 04/02/14 at 21:46:55:
Indeed. Look well to each step, and so on. You're a bit of a student of climbing literature yourself, Stefan, I perceive?

Personally I am not enthusiastic about climbing, sorry. Bird-watcher, yes, but not the Alpine varieties. The region where I come from (Nordwalde) is flat, neighbouring village Altenberge ("old mountain") held the record with a 50-meter hill. 

A prominent "climbing" chess player was Julius Perlis from Austria, listed in Gaige's Chess Personalia with a historical rating of 2500. His obituary appeared in BCM 1913, p. 399-400. He died in a climbing accident, in the "Inntaler Alpen", according to Gaige. 

Birding is less dangerous. Just saying.
  
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Reply #13 - 04/02/14 at 22:29:29
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Jupp53 wrote on 04/02/14 at 21:33:54:

but none of this tells where Burevestnik comes from

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Song_of_the_Stormy_Petrel
  
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Re: Ordkhonikidze
Reply #12 - 04/02/14 at 21:46:55
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Stefan Buecker wrote on 04/02/14 at 20:50:52:
IMJohnCox wrote on 04/02/14 at 17:14:11:
Thanks, Vass - particularly entertained to learn that Krylenko was a mountaineer - I've always fancied myself as a bit of a pioneer on the climbing-cum-chessplayer front, but predictably I'm not the only one.

Hans Christoph Krumm (born Dec. 12, 1931), who wrote the problem column for Schach-Report when I was an editor of that mag, died in a mountain accident on June 14, 1994. So take care, no hasty decisions.



Indeed. Look well to each step, and so on. You're a bit of a student of climbing literature yourself, Stefan, I perceive?
  
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Reply #11 - 04/02/14 at 21:33:54
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Re: Ordkhonikidze
Reply #10 - 04/02/14 at 20:50:52
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IMJohnCox wrote on 04/02/14 at 17:14:11:
Thanks, Vass - particularly entertained to learn that Krylenko was a mountaineer - I've always fancied myself as a bit of a pioneer on the climbing-cum-chessplayer front, but predictably I'm not the only one.

Hans Christoph Krumm (born Dec. 12, 1931), who wrote the problem column for Schach-Report when I was an editor of that mag, died in a mountain accident on June 14, 1994. So take care, no hasty decisions.
  
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Re: Ordkhonikidze
Reply #9 - 04/02/14 at 20:47:53
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As I had the chance to be born and raised in a country deep behind "the Iron Curtain" and provided that I'm nearly 50, I can say I clearly remember these past times. There were factories called "Lenin", "Voroshilov" and alike, we went down the streets called "October Revolution", "November 7th", "Karl Marx" and so on, entered towns like Tolbuhin and...whatever some strange and twisted minds invented.. So, I'm not surprised that a chess team can be named by Ordzhonikidze at that time - probably a plant, or a factory that sponsored this team was called after this person.
Anyway, I recall, back then, in Russia, there were some very strong team championships for a cup called "Burevestnik" (petrel, storm-bird). Does anyone know something about such tournaments?
Not to be mixed up with the Leningrad (now St Peterburg) team called "Burevestnik", which won the Soviet Union championship in 1971. Just to mention the names of the "Burevestnik" players: Taymanov, Smyslov, Balashov, Bagirov, Gulko, Grigoryan, Fatalibekova, Lematchko, Saunina.  Shocked
  
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Re: Ordkhonikidze
Reply #8 - 04/02/14 at 18:08:31
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IMJohnCox wrote on 04/02/14 at 17:14:11:
Bit strange too that if he did get purged they then named towns and ships after him. Maybe that's how it worked.

He wasn't officially purged, although it looks rather likely he was.
The tournaments you have in mind were probably held in Vladikavkaz, which was called Ordzonikidze from 1931 to 1944 and from 1954 to 1990. But there's also a city still called like that in Ukraine.
  
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Re: Ordkhonikidze
Reply #7 - 04/02/14 at 17:14:11
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Thanks, Vass - particularly entertained to learn that Krylenko was a mountaineer - I've always fancied myself as a bit of a pioneer on the climbing-cum-chessplayer front, but predictably I'm not the only one.

So maybe one of these tournaments was just treated as a qualifier for the SC one year and that's how I got this impression. Or maybe I just made it up.

Strange they weren't called the Orkhonikidze Memorial. Perhaps they actually did take place in a town named after him. Bit strange too that if he did get purged they then named towns and ships after him. Maybe that's how it worked.
  
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Re: Ordkhonikidze
Reply #6 - 04/02/14 at 14:58:09
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Vass wrote on 04/02/14 at 10:08:55:


With the usual caveats about the reliability of wiki, he does seem to have been a "big man" in Stalin's Soviet Union, sufficient to have his own postage stamp plus towns and a warship named after him.

So if his name lives on in the descriptions for chess tournaments, either they were named after him (was there ever a "Stalin Memorial"?), or took place in towns he leant his name to. 
  
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Re: Ordkhonikidze
Reply #5 - 04/02/14 at 14:36:38
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TalJechin wrote on 04/02/14 at 11:39:22:
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The games have been observed by Mikhail Kalinin and Grigory Ordzhonikidze, but the results are unknown.


Just a thought, but if i remember correctly in the Soviet Union era there was a commission going through the games of players that made norms or gained some other achievement, to make sure there was no inside corruption. Maybe Mr O was one of those inspectors or his name is somehow related to that activity?


No, not at all!
He probably was just a political leader who knew how to play chess and that's all.
As for the translation, maybe it's avoiding somehow.. It seems this man just watched the game play by Capablanca against some of the well known names in the Soviet Union these days.
(There were cities called Voroshilov and Kuybishev, named after these two men. As for Krylenko you can see this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Krylenko)

Edit: Omg! How about that? (from the above link for Krylenko):
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In the 1930s Krylenko headed the Soviet chess, checkers and mountain climbing associations. He was one of the pioneers of the Pamirs mountain climbing, leading the Soviet half of a joint Soviet-German expedition in 1928 as well as expeditions to the Eastern Pamirs in 1931 and to the Lenin Peak in 1934 [4]. Krylenko used his positions to carry out the Stalinist line of total control and politicization of all areas of public life:
We must finish once and for all with the neutrality of chess. We must condemn once and for all the formula "chess for the sake of chess", like the formula "art for art's sake". We must organize shockbrigades of chess-players, and begin immediate realization of a Five-Year Plan for chess. [5]
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Re: Ordkhonikidze
Reply #4 - 04/02/14 at 11:39:22
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The games have been observed by Mikhail Kalinin and Grigory Ordzhonikidze, but the results are unknown.


Just a thought, but if i remember correctly in the Soviet Union era there was a commission going through the games of players that made norms or gained some other achievement, to make sure there was no inside corruption. Maybe Mr O was one of those inspectors or his name is somehow related to that activity?
  
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Re: Ordkhonikidze
Reply #3 - 04/02/14 at 10:54:05
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Another one..
Here, in this article (Russian language only) we can read about Mikhail Botvinnik and his avoiding of...sex during the tournaments.
http://fakty.ua/138197-vo-vremya-turnirov-mihail-botvinnik-izbegal-seksa
Anyway, a part of this article says:
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"В 1935 году Орджоникидзе подарил ему машину. Тогда мало кто имел легковой автомобиль."
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Google translated: "In 1935, Ordzhonikidze gave him a car as a present. In these times, few people had a personal car."  Wink
  
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