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Reply #37 - 07/27/15 at 19:54:48
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katar wrote on 06/23/15 at 23:04:51:

Larsen_fan wrote on 06/22/15 at 18:20:36:
the art of sacrifice is comming in a new ed:
....German grandmaster Karsten Müller has added his own notes to Spielmann’s original text.

Rad.  I will buy sight unseen.  I trust Muller.  Danish Dynamite was lame, but updating a classic book is more akin to the job of a museum or art gallery curator whose job is to present immortal works to the unsophisticated public who may not even know if the author's intent is respected in the update.
I think Russell has done well with other classics and I trust them to do justice to Spielmann.  Great news.


I've just received my copy of the new Art of Sacrifice book. Only had time to flick through the pages, but it looks very well written and i am really looking forward to reading it.

I usually dont read Nunn's books because they're usually loaded with variations, but his book on Lasker isnt. So, i've also picked this up. 
  

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Reply #36 - 07/27/15 at 12:59:25
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ReneDescartes wrote on 06/24/15 at 20:56:43:
4-1 is being kind. The ratio is unfavorable for one seeking instruction more than entertainment. There is often a mere morsel of chess information at the end of a large purple passage. If the chess content were written in the style of Tarrasch, the books would be the length of a pamphlet.  On the other hand, there are some exercises.

The best player-writers in chess history--Tarrasch, Bronstein, Botvinnik, etc.--filled their books with priceless verbal chess content equal in volume to Lackdawala's florid imagery, and did so with wonderful style that conveyed their personalities.

Botvinnik:
                                     "16. dxc5
Another positional error. The weakness of so-called "hanging pawns" at c5 and d5 cannot be exploited when there is a large number and concentration of minor pieces, or by attacking these pawns from the back rank. Moreover, White parts with his last strongpoint in the centre -- his d4 pawn, the black bishops become active, the tempo of the 'battle' increases, and all the time he now has to reckon with a possible advance of the black pawns, in particular ...d5-d4."

And here is Botvinnik's personality coming through: [Smyslov plays]
                                     "53...Qh2
But suppose the opponent does not notice the 'threat' of 54...Qxg3 55 fxg3 f2...
                                      54. Qe1
He noticed it! Black Resigns."


Ugh!  Just reading the samples of Lakdawala's writing in the available press releases were enough for me to know I wouldn't like his books.  And seeing the sample you provided have convinced me!  He sounds like Silman on steroids, but with much less chess content.

I don't mind SOME witticisms in chess writing, but I think the annotations should be instructive first!  I recently started a subscription to New In Chess and so far I am VERY impressed with Anish Giri's annotations.  They are very instructive and funny at the same time.


  
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Reply #35 - 07/27/15 at 12:55:32
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RoleyPoley wrote on 06/24/15 at 23:15:47:
Thanks guys,

I'm starting to get really excited at the thought of reading some of these now. 

I've ordered the new Art of Sacrifice book as that sounds like it could be good fun, with Muller adding some new chapters to it hopefully making it even more educational. I've also ordered Cherniev's book on Capablanca's endgames. 

I might then look to move onto Korchnoi, Botvinnik or Larsen judging by the reputation as writers of the latter two and my growing interest of Korchnoi.

Can anyone recommend which of Botvinnik's books may be a good starting point for his games?




For a modern player Judit Polgar's recent books are very good and instructive!  (In truth I read the first one and it was GREAT!  I am assuming the remaining two books stay at that high level of quality)
  
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Reply #34 - 07/27/15 at 12:51:18
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RoleyPoley wrote on 06/21/15 at 18:01:34:
MartinC wrote on 06/21/15 at 07:32:54:
Motivation really is key. The point of all of this is, you see, mostly to make sure you spend good time genuinely thinking about chess. Precisely what it is you're looking at is much less crucial than your engagement in the process.
(Obviously if you're really motivated to study a priori then you can try to optimise what you're looking at. Not many are I'd think.).

So whatever seems fun Smiley



Thanks Martin...i'm thinking starting with someone like Spielmann maybe the way to go then.. Smiley



The Spielmann Art of Sacrifice book is one of the BEST chess books I have ever studied!

I am a fairly low rated player but when i went thru Spielmann's book two years ago it had a noticeable affect on my play.

I took my time on the book and went thru it in a specific way.   

I read the prose sections on types of sacrifice at the beginning of each chapter.
Then I would play thru each game without the book!  And annotate it myself and try to find whether the sacrifice in the game was sound or not.  (i would mostly focus on the moves in and around the sacrifice..trying to be specific in my study)
Then I would read Spielmann's annotations for the game.
THEN and only then check the game, my thoughts and Spielmann's thoughts with an engine!

This is a GREAT book!
  
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Re: How to know which games/players to study ?
Reply #33 - 07/05/15 at 08:53:46
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ReneDescartes wrote on 07/04/15 at 15:56:54:
Ah. He doesn't beat--and lose to--your hero until the third volume. You might like to know that according to Soltis, Botvinnik could not, despite his lifelong need to feel he was objectively the good guy and his opponent the bad guy, find anything to dislike about Tal. "This Tal seems to be quite a good guy," he said. "But his uncle, I don't like at all!" --Tal did not have an uncle. 

It's got to be one the most picturesque collisions of personalities in the history of chess. Scientist v. poet, awesome understanding vs. awesome imagination, relentless self-control vs. unrestrainable flow, acid skepticism  vs. generous playfulness. They each won a laurel wreath from the other.


I never knew that. Thankyou. I'm picking up the books from the shop this week and am really looking forward to reading them.

That is one of the things that i admire about Tal. His ability to be liked by virtually anyone. I think even Fischer took time to visit him in hospital.
  

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Ah. He doesn't beat--and lose to--your hero until the third volume. You might like to know that according to Soltis, Botvinnik could not, despite his lifelong need to feel he was objectively the good guy and his opponent the bad guy, find anything to dislike about Tal. "This Tal seems to be quite a good guy," he said. "But his uncle, I don't like at all!" --Tal did not have an uncle. 

It's got to be one the most picturesque collisions of personalities in the history of chess. Scientist v. poet, awesome understanding vs. awesome imagination, relentless self-control vs. unrestrainable flow, acid skepticism  vs. generous playfulness. They each won a laurel wreath from the other.
  
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Re: How to know which games/players to study ?
Reply #31 - 07/02/15 at 21:13:12
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ReneDescartes wrote on 07/02/15 at 00:20:32:
Who's your hero? Capablanca? Keres? Bronstein? Smyslov? Tal? The second and third volumes are great too.


Tal is my hero. I havent read many biographies or games of the masters so maybe in time that might change. When i was first starting to play regularly about 20 years ago, Bronstein and Keres were the players i first admired, perhaps because i was playing the Kings Gambit .

I then began reading up on Tal after i started trying out the Benoni. I had read stories about him in other books (Neil McDonald mentions playing him in the introduction of his Kings Gambit book - his hero took the pawn, swapped off all the pieces and ground out the win in the endgame  Grin). But nothing compared to his own book - life and games, a delight to read.
  

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Who's your hero? Capablanca? Keres? Bronstein? Smyslov? Tal? The second and third volumes are great too.
  
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Re: How to know which games/players to study ?
Reply #29 - 06/25/15 at 22:17:24
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ReneDescartes wrote on 06/25/15 at 02:21:17:
Volume 1 of Botvinnik's Best Games from Moravian Chess is the best work, and the whole series is better-written even than his earler works. Though it's not a textbook, Botvinnik writes this three-volume chronological collection in some ways like a cumulative class, referring in the games of second and third volumes to principles established in the games of the first.


Thanks Rene. I'll look at picking these up too. As long as he doesnt spend too much time talking about when he beat my hero  Wink
  

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Reply #28 - 06/25/15 at 14:37:23
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Hi

Some of the most enjoyable games Collections I have read is:

The Polgar triology. These books are simply fantastic. You both get a glimpse of the efford and hard Work this girl put in to her training and you get some realy enjoyable chess and realy instructive comments.   

and

My games with the World champions by Seirawan. Also a wonderful book full of anecdotes and realy good chess and very instructive comments. He reflect on the playing styles of his opponents and gives background info on the situations the games was played under, Little insights about the psycological aspects of the games etc.   

I think a trademark for realy good games Collections is that players of very different strength can enjoy them, and that goes for these books. 

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Volume 1 of Botvinnik's Best Games from Moravian Chess is the best work, and the whole series is better-written even than his earler works. Though it's not a textbook, Botvinnik writes this three-volume chronological collection in some ways like a cumulative class, referring in the games of second and third volumes to principles established in the games of the first.
  
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Reply #26 - 06/24/15 at 23:15:47
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Thanks guys,

I'm starting to get really excited at the thought of reading some of these now. 

I've ordered the new Art of Sacrifice book as that sounds like it could be good fun, with Muller adding some new chapters to it hopefully making it even more educational. I've also ordered Cherniev's book on Capablanca's endgames. 

I might then look to move onto Korchnoi, Botvinnik or Larsen judging by the reputation as writers of the latter two and my growing interest of Korchnoi.

Can anyone recommend which of Botvinnik's books may be a good starting point for his games?


  

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Reply #25 - 06/24/15 at 20:56:43
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4-1 is being kind. The ratio is unfavorable for one seeking instruction more than entertainment. There is often a mere morsel of chess information at the end of a large purple passage. If the chess content were written in the style of Tarrasch, the books would be the length of a pamphlet.  On the other hand, there are some exercises.

The best player-writers in chess history--Tarrasch, Bronstein, Botvinnik, etc.--filled their books with priceless verbal chess content equal in volume to Lackdawala's florid imagery, and did so with wonderful style that conveyed their personalities.

Botvinnik:
                                     "16. dxc5
Another positional error. The weakness of so-called "hanging pawns" at c5 and d5 cannot be exploited when there is a large number and concentration of minor pieces, or by attacking these pawns from the back rank. Moreover, White parts with his last strongpoint in the centre -- his d4 pawn, the black bishops become active, the tempo of the 'battle' increases, and all the time he now has to reckon with a possible advance of the black pawns, in particular ...d5-d4."

And here is Botvinnik's personality coming through: [Smyslov plays]
                                     "53...Qh2
But suppose the opponent does not notice the 'threat' of 54...Qxg3 55 fxg3 f2...
                                      54. Qe1
He noticed it! Black Resigns."
  
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Reply #24 - 06/24/15 at 19:47:04
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ReneDescartes wrote on 06/24/15 at 14:16:16:
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And here's Lackdawala's witty and instructive style: "46...Nxe5 The slaughterhouse gutters clog and overflow with the warm, cloying blood of the newly dead, as White's pawns hang from their hooks in eviscerated ruin." And: "Rg6! The rook, a creature of the heavens, refuses to debase himself with earthly sorrows like aging, sickness, and death. He flits about, like a fly who just sits on the wall for no reason, then just as randomly glies off to nowhere in particular. The text is much stronger than grabbing b6, as Rg5 is now in the air.".....


Thanks for the examples. I guess my question now is on the relative ratios of A versus B below:

A. "The rook, a creature of the heavens, refuses to debase himself with earthly sorrows like aging, sickness, and death. He flits about, like a fly who just sits on the wall for no reason, then just as randomly glies off to nowhere in particular."

B. "The text is much stronger than grabbing b6, as Rg5 is now in the air."

I am worried there are 4 lines of A -type stuff versus one line of B.

Thanks for the examples again.

Gerry
  
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Reply #23 - 06/24/15 at 14:16:16
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Well, here's Larsen's witty and instructive style: "11. Qd2? White had to castle. The text move is typical for those who think that such a move played with the White pieces may be enjoyable." And later: "21.f4. If 21 Nc7 Qg4. After 21.f4 Black has an instructive combination under the theme desperado. 21. Bxd5 cxd5 22.Bxd4! This was all there was to it. If 23. Qxd4 Qxd1, winning the exchange."

And here's Lackdawala's witty and instructive style: "46...Nxe5 The slaughterhouse gutters clog and overflow with the warm, cloying blood of the newly dead, as White's pawns hang from their hooks in eviscerated ruin." And: "Rg6! The rook, a creature of the heavens, refuses to debase himself with earthly sorrows like aging, sickness, and death. He flits about, like a fly who just sits on the wall for no reason, then just as randomly glies off to nowhere in particular. The text is much stronger than grabbing b6, as Rg5 is now in the air."

By the way, whatever collection others read, Larsen's game collection from NIC is not sparsely, but very richly annotated, without hugely long variations, and is available in electronic form from ForwardChess.
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