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Re: Endgame begins when no more double attacks?
Reply #11 - 12/14/15 at 18:57:52

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Yes, this is stupid. Here is a famous endgame concept, "the barrier." Black cannot bring his king in to support the pawn fast enough because the light-square approaches are illegal and the dark-square approaches fail to double attack, e.g. 1...Ke3 2. Nf1+. If I ever needed convincing that this book was a fraud, I don't anymore.

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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Endgame begins when no more double attacks? Reply #10 - 11/30/15 at 16:48:43	Post Tools	Print Post
	Not much more to be said. Thanks for providing the link to Edward Winter's review.


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Bibs God Member Offline Posts: 2346 Joined: 10/24/06	Re: Endgame begins when no more double attacks? Reply #9 - 11/29/15 at 12:48:04	Post Tools	Print Post
	JEH wrote on 11/29/15 at 11:32:50: http://i.imgur.com/7D1Sq6P.jpg Like.


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JEH God Member Offline "Football is like Chess, only without the dice." Posts: 1456 Location: Reading Joined: 09/22/05 Gender:	Re: Endgame begins when no more double attacks? Reply #8 - 11/29/15 at 11:32:50	Post Tools	Print Post


	Those who want to go by my perverse footsteps play such pawn structure with fuzzy atypical still strategic orientations Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, stuck in the middlegame with you
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Bibs God Member Offline Posts: 2346 Joined: 10/24/06	Re: Endgame begins when no more double attacks? Reply #7 - 11/29/15 at 10:39:48	Post Tools	Print Post
	I agree that the quotation is odd. Let's move on shall we? I can't make sense of it. Is Winter a real person by the way? I had 'him' as a shadowy chess-obsessed cabal of malevolent mid-European editors operating under a single name. Or something.


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proustiskeen God Member Offline Hello from Omaha! Posts: 682 Joined: 08/11/08	Re: Endgame begins when no more double attacks? Reply #6 - 11/28/15 at 16:14:21	Post Tools	Print Post
	I have to admit that I don't understand this. I'm very selective when it comes to what I spend time reviewing. I don't bother with 99% of self-published books because I know they're garbage. I am reticent to review books by one insanely prolific chess author (not hard to guess who) anymore because (a) I can't stand his writing and (b) I'm told I can't go to his favorite chess club lest I be lynched. The book you're reading - or, rather, that you're using Winter's page to pull quotes from - is fraudulent. The quote is nearly nonsensical. Why waste your time when there's so much better material out there? Or do you just want to engage in polemics? GeneM wrote on 11/28/15 at 06:14:19: proustiskeen wrote on 11/27/15 at 18:05:46: Why are you worried about what a fraudulent author has to say about anything? For the same reason that you do not judge chess books by their cover when you write your reviews.


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GMTonyKosten YaBB Administrator Offline Mr Dynamic? Posts: 3207 Location: Clermont-Ferrand Joined: 12/19/02 Gender:	Re: Endgame begins when no more double attacks? Reply #5 - 11/28/15 at 10:01:40	Post Tools	Print Post
	GeneM wrote on 11/27/15 at 06:02:16: The endgame begins when combinations based on the concept of the double attack no longer suffice to net the most effective gain." Question: How much truth is in the above quoted statement, especially in the second sentence? It sounds like total nonsense, does that mean that Carlsen's endgame against Pelletier wasn't an endgame?!


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GeneM Senior Member Offline Tournament winner gets two fun filled knights! Posts: 303 Location: near Seattle WA USA Joined: 01/12/08	Re: Endgame begins when no more double attacks? Reply #4 - 11/28/15 at 06:14:19	Post Tools	Print Post
	proustiskeen wrote on 11/27/15 at 18:05:46: Why are you worried about what a fraudulent author has to say about anything? For the same reason that you do not judge chess books by their cover when you write your reviews.

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proustiskeen God Member Offline Hello from Omaha! Posts: 682 Joined: 08/11/08	Re: Endgame begins when no more double attacks? Reply #3 - 11/27/15 at 18:05:46	Post Tools	Print Post
	Why are you worried about what a fraudulent author has to say about anything?


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chk God Member Offline a pawn is a pawn Posts: 1063 Location: Athens Joined: 10/26/06 Gender:	Re: Endgame begins when no more double attacks? Reply #2 - 11/27/15 at 17:59:37	Post Tools	Print Post
	I would say all sorts of double attack, e.g. King attacks 2 adjascent pieces, pawn forks (obviously Knight forks too), Bishop checks King while also attacking a Rook (e.g. Kg1, Ra7 and Bb6+), Rook attacks 2 targets on the 2nd rank, etc. So I would say: "the concept of the double attack *may* no longer suffice to net the most effective gain."

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dfan God Member Offline "When you see a bad move, look for a better one" Posts: 766 Location: Boston Joined: 10/04/05	Re: Endgame begins when no more double attacks? Reply #1 - 11/27/15 at 13:19:09	Post Tools	Print Post
	Double attacks (with the queen and knight especially) still occur frequently in the endgame.


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GeneM Senior Member Offline Tournament winner gets two fun filled knights! Posts: 303 Location: near Seattle WA USA Joined: 01/12/08	Endgame begins when no more double attacks? 11/27/15 at 06:02:16	Post Tools	Print Post
	. The author of My 61 Memorable Games wrote the following on page 738: "The endgame is not determined by the piece population. The endgame begins when combinations based on the concept of the double attack no longer suffice to net the most effective gain." Question: How much truth is in the above quoted statement, especially in the second sentence? . . Quotation is from: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/sixtyone.html (htt p:// www .chesshistory .com/ winter/ extra/ sixtyone .html) .

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