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Re: Opening repertoire advice
Reply #10 - 02/14/16 at 20:15:54
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kylemeister wrote on 02/14/16 at 19:38:41:
I second that comment, but I kinda wonder what kind of people would have called the Catalan (which has been a major opening since "forever") "that weird g3 stuff."


The "weird g3 stuff" were mostly weaker club players, but some pretty strong (2100ish) club players didn't know what to call it.

In my experience, a surprising number of people didn't know the name of 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.g3, thinking that The Catalan was a flank opening often arising from a Reti-like move order.  Or they didn't understand which positions were a Reti or which a Catalan.  

But anyway the point is that I played the opening that I was passionate about and didn't care what others thought.  It's not as if the OP is considering two vastly different openings, he'll just have to decide which of the sub-variations of the Sicilian he likes more.
  
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Re: Opening repertoire advice
Reply #9 - 02/14/16 at 19:38:41
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I second that comment, but I kinda wonder what kind of people would have called the Catalan (which has been a major opening since "forever") "that weird g3 stuff."
  
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Re: Opening repertoire advice
Reply #8 - 02/14/16 at 18:19:30
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Then play both the Najdorf and the Dragon until you decide which one you prefer (or continue mixing and matching forever!).  Most of your anti-Sicilian repertoire will be identical, and there are some advantages to being willing to transpose from one variation to the other (playing 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6, for instance).  

I play all manner of ...e6 Sicilians depending on taste: the Taimanov, Paulsen, Kan, and some Scheveningen lines, as well as occasionally playing the Kalashnikov.  I sharpened my teeth on the Dragon years ago and can still play it occasionally (usually only non-Yugoslav lines, though).  This is really just something that you're going to have to figure out for yourself, there's no right or wrong answer.

Once you become a Sicilian player, you can play the Sicilian for life.  Much of your non-Open Sicilian repertoire can remain virtually unchanged for a long time, and you can pick up new Open Sicilian variations over the years as you want.  It's an extremely rich opening.  

I'm a very strong believer in playing openings that you, yourself, are interested in and passionate about, the ones that you feel are "yours," that you have some emotional connection and investment in.  So long as you're considering sound openings, I wouldn't listen much to what other people say about your openings.  People mocked me for playing "that weird g3 stuff" almost 20 years ago when I bought Winning with the Catalan by Dunnington; 7 years later they were saying "don't you play that same g3 line that Kramnik plays?", and now of course the Catalan is a huge main line known up and down the amateur ranks.  Don't care about what others think, just play what inspires you.
  
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Re: Opening repertoire advice
Reply #7 - 02/14/16 at 12:16:58
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I play the Nimzo and KID versus 1 d4 and the Breyer is my defence to the Ruy Lopez.   

I am literally 50/50 over either the Dragon or Najdorf and really can't decide which one to study and play.  I'm just seeing what the general feelings of other forum users is.
  
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Re: Opening repertoire advice
Reply #6 - 02/14/16 at 02:38:24
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What are you asking us for exactly?  Just play whatever opening you're more interested in and passionate about, so long as it's sound.
  
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Re: Opening repertoire advice
Reply #5 - 02/14/16 at 00:27:46
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Methodchess wrote on 02/13/16 at 21:58:28:
I just want to reiterate that if you're 50/50 between the Najdorf and the Dragon, you should absolutely choose the Najdorf. 

I'm just going to say it, the Najdorf is a better defence than the Dragon. You can play the Najdorf from beginner up to World Champion. I don't think you can say the same about the Dragon. The only top player you have to follow in the Dragon is Jones, and even he has started to play it less frequently. With the Najdorf you're spoilt for choice, if you encounter a problem, see how the big boys handle it, from the top 20 in the live rating list alone you have: Giri, Nakamura, MVL, Topalov, So, Anand, Karjakin, Li Chao B, Grischuk and Mamedyarov that play it from; occasionally, to exclusively in the case of MVL. 

Also playing the Najdorf will never go out of fashion, it is one of the best defences available to Black after 1.e4. The only reason it's not played more at the top is because the Berlin is so good.

The key for me about this situation is it's a choice between the Najdorf and Dragon. If it was between the Najdorf and say Sveshnikov we could have some debate. But the Dragon... There is no need to have a debate, choose Najdorf.


You may be right that the Najdorf is a better opening to follow, but you are wrong that only Jones plays it at that level.
  

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Re: Opening repertoire advice
Reply #4 - 02/13/16 at 21:58:28
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I just want to reiterate that if you're 50/50 between the Najdorf and the Dragon, you should absolutely choose the Najdorf. 

I'm just going to say it, the Najdorf is a better defence than the Dragon. You can play the Najdorf from beginner up to World Champion. I don't think you can say the same about the Dragon. The only top player you have to follow in the Dragon is Jones, and even he has started to play it less frequently. With the Najdorf you're spoilt for choice, if you encounter a problem, see how the big boys handle it, from the top 20 in the live rating list alone you have: Giri, Nakamura, MVL, Topalov, So, Anand, Karjakin, Li Chao B, Grischuk and Mamedyarov that play it from; occasionally, to exclusively in the case of MVL. 

Also playing the Najdorf will never go out of fashion, it is one of the best defences available to Black after 1.e4. The only reason it's not played more at the top is because the Berlin is so good.

The key for me about this situation is it's a choice between the Najdorf and Dragon. If it was between the Najdorf and say Sveshnikov we could have some debate. But the Dragon... There is no need to have a debate, choose Najdorf.
  
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Re: Opening repertoire advice
Reply #3 - 02/13/16 at 21:19:13
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If you need to cut a few corners while you're learning Anti-Sicilians, there are two Dragon-based options I know:

1) Dragondorf 5...g6 6.Be3 a6 and Classical Dragon against everything else.

2) Classical move order 5...Nc6 6.Bg5 g6!? (See NIC YB 107 and Chernikov's SOS-3 surveys.) Marin's recent DVD is a good guide on the Rauzer main lines if you don't like this. You need to know the Sozin (6.Bc4) which can also be reached from a Najdorf move order. The other independent tries 6.Be3 Ng4 and 6.f3 e5 score well for Black. Other than that, it's smooth sailing with the Classical Dragon. You get a good variety of structures with this approach and you also have the Boleslavsky approach with ...e5 against the quieter systems as well. This might help you make up your mind on which structures you like best! (Dragon, Scheveningen, Boleslavsky centers) 

If you don't want to always follow fashion, these options are interesting and can be an intermediate step to learning the major main lines of the Najdorf or Dragon. Most players these days will probably say "Just learn the Najdorf!", but of course it's not the only way.
  
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Re: Opening repertoire advice
Reply #2 - 02/13/16 at 19:09:31
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If the choice is between the Dragon and Najdorf I would go for the Najdorf. 

Out of curiosity what do you play against 1.d4? Also what do you play against the Ruy as Black after 1.e4 e5?
  
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Re: Opening repertoire advice
Reply #1 - 02/13/16 at 14:36:37
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Some reasons for choosing the dragon (but there are reasons for choosing the Najdorf too and you'll have to decide their merit and weight):
  • find something for 2.c3 and something for 3.Bb5+, and you can play good dragon-like lines against all of the other anti-sicilians
  • if you play the Najdorf, you will practically be playing white's main line
  • if you're not afraid of theory, playing the Najdorf you probably won't be able to resist booking up on 6.Bg5, but only a small percentage of white players will play it. This might be unsatisfying. At least it seems less satisfying than playing the dragon and getting in your theoretical lines most of the time.
  
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Opening repertoire advice
02/13/16 at 13:19:17
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Ambitious 2050 - 2100 currently playing 1 e4 e5 as black and wanting to add in the Sicilian.
Unsure whether to go for the Dragon or Najdorf. Not afraid of theory and hates simplification or forced draws. Any tips? I'm leaning towards the Najdorf, but wonder if I'm just following fashion!
  
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