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Reply #50 - 09/01/17 at 07:24:14
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If I remember correctly, 5.g4 Bd7 6.a4!? was quite an interesting idea in reply, trying to grab as much space as possible.
  

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Reply #49 - 09/01/17 at 07:17:54
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The untested 1 e4 c6 2 d4 d5 3 e5 Bf5 4 h4 Qb6 5 h5 f6!? looks like an interesting idea. After a bit of clicking around I haven't found anything that seriously concerns me as Black. For example, 6 Bd3 Nh6! 7 Bxh6 Bxd3 looks like complications that are okay for Black, in part due to b2 being hanging, and 6 Nf3 fxe5 7 Nxe5 Nd7 8 f4 e6 9 c3 Ngf6 10 Nd2 Bd6 11 Be2 h6 12 g4 Bh7 looks dynamically balanced. Lots of uncharted territory to analyze here.
  
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Re: Playing 1.e4 - Caro-Kann, 1...e5 & Minor Lines
Reply #48 - 07/14/17 at 19:23:37
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Houska didn't rate it highly either !
  
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Re: Playing 1.e4 - Caro-Kann, 1...e5 & Minor Lines
Reply #47 - 07/14/17 at 18:39:41
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Laramonet wrote on 07/14/17 at 16:54:02:
fjd wrote on 07/12/17 at 20:21:17:
4 dxc5, 5 a3


Thanks mn. I played an opponent this week who owns the book and this is the line he played but told me afterwards he hadn't read that section yet. The line we played I thought to be good for Black, 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.dc e6 5.a3 Nc6 6.b4 a5.

If your opponent had read that section, he'd have seen that Shaw gives 6.b4 a questionmark  Wink
  
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Re: Playing 1.e4 - Caro-Kann, 1...e5 & Minor Lines
Reply #46 - 07/14/17 at 16:54:02
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fjd wrote on 07/12/17 at 20:21:17:
4 dxc5, 5 a3


Thanks mn. I played an opponent this week who owns the book and this is the line he played but told me afterwards he hadn't read that section yet. The line we played I thought to be good for Black, 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.dc e6 5.a3 Nc6 6.b4 a5. The surprise to me was 7.b5 Ne5 8.Bb2. I guess hear I should have chosen 8..., f6 or Ng6 but not liking Nd7, I chose Nc4. After a quick exchange of queens, my initially awkward position started to improve and after a mistake by my opponent, I won !
  
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Re: Playing 1.e4 - Caro-Kann, 1...e5 & Minor Lines
Reply #45 - 07/13/17 at 17:10:27
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fjd wrote on 07/13/17 at 17:05:32:
On the other hand, included with the sharp Meises Scotch lines is the 4...Bc5 5 Nxc6 Qf6 6 Qf3 endgame lines. It's a mixed bag for sure.

True, but look at the coverage of the less common 5.Nxc6 bxc6, and it's suddenly sharp and dangerous again (for both sides). 

I still feel the sharp dominates over the technical in the repertoire. Perhaps the ideal target audience is very strong calculators who put that skill to good use in both sharp middlegames and unbalanced endgames - i.e. someone like Alexei Shirov!  Grin

I'm less sure if the average club and tournament player fits that description though, however much s/he would like to...
  

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Reply #44 - 07/13/17 at 17:05:32
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On the other hand, included with the sharp Meises Scotch lines is the 4...Bc5 5 Nxc6 Qf6 6 Qf3 endgame lines. It's a mixed bag for sure.
  
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Re: Playing 1.e4 - Caro-Kann, 1...e5 & Minor Lines
Reply #43 - 07/13/17 at 16:58:38
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grandpatzer wrote on 07/13/17 at 14:01:49:

I respectfully think that he should have covered the Short Variation vs. the Caro, if that was his original idea, regardless of what others could be writing more or less at the same time... It was more in line with the other "positional" lines suggested in the book. 

I also half-expected the Short system, but it has indeed seen a lot of coverage lately. Maybe he (or the team) didn't have enough new ideas to select it.

Actually, they way the first volume of "Playing 1.e4" turned out, I hardly recognize the solid, low-theory, endgame-oriented player John Shaw in the repertoire.

The Scotch is full of non-standard and sharp positions, including ones with White behind in development in the 4...Nf6 main lines, where missteps can be very costly and you really need to know what you're doing. And the lines against the Caro-Kann and the Pirc are among the very sharpest they could have gone for that are still topical tries for advantage today (though the Austrian Attack in the Pirc is arguably sharper still).

If the second volume comes out with lots of slow, positional squeeze or technical lines, that would be inconsistent stylewise!
  

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Re: Playing 1.e4 - Caro-Kann, 1...e5 & Minor Lines
Reply #42 - 07/13/17 at 14:01:49
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grandpatzer wrote on 07/16/16 at 05:49:53:
I read in the book that Shaw was going to suggest the Short Variation of the Advance Caro-Kan as the line for White, rather than 4.h4, if it weren't for the fact that Dreev was going to write a book on that line! Although the 4.h4 line is very interesting and its coverage is excellent and was much needed, I would have loved to see Shaw on the "positional" Short Variation vs the Caro! And perhaps that was more in theme with the whole book, considering that the suggested lines are rather on the "positional" side than the "aggressive" one. (With all the limitations that these sort of classifications have, of course). Anyway, it's a great book, now let's see volume II !  And let's see how he is going to handle the Tarrasch! (I hope that it's not the Korchnoi Gambit vs. 3...Nf6, but the Ne2 line)


I respectfully think that he should have covered the Short Variation vs. the Caro, if that was his original idea, regardless of what others could be writing more or less at the same time... It was more in line with the other "positional" lines suggested in the book. 
  
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Re: Playing 1.e4 - Caro-Kann, 1...e5 & Minor Lines
Reply #41 - 07/12/17 at 20:21:17
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Re: Playing 1.e4 - Caro-Kann, 1...e5 & Minor Lines
Reply #40 - 07/12/17 at 17:13:40
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Can anyone tell me what Shaw recommends against 3. e5 c5 in the Caro ?
  
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Re: Playing 1.e4 - Caro-Kann, 1...e5 & Minor Lines
Reply #39 - 08/04/16 at 16:12:50
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Shaw recommends 6.Nxc6 bxc6 7.Bd3. Now 7...Qh4 8.Qe2 Nf6 is only mentioned as a sideline in a note with no alternatives for Black on move 8. The main move is 7...Ne7.

Without the inclusion of 4...Bb4+ 5.c3 after 4...Bc5 5.Nxc6 bxc6 6.Bd3 now 6...Qh4 is the main move in the book.
  
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Re: Playing 1.e4 - Caro-Kann, 1...e5 & Minor Lines
Reply #38 - 08/04/16 at 10:17:30
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What does Shaw recommend after 4..Bb4+!? 5.c3 Bc5 in the Scotch ? Is he going for the Endgame-Line with 

A) 6.Nxc6 bxc6 7.Bd3 Qh4 8.Qe2 Nf6 (There are alternatives.. But does he mention them ?) 9.h3! 

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B) 6.Be3 Bb6 7.Nf5!? (7.Qg4) 7..g6 8.Bxb6 axb6 9.Ne3 with the idea to build up the Maroczy-Structure and clamping black down. 

Would be thankfull for any help  Smiley

  
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Re: Playing 1.e4 - Caro-Kann, 1...e5 & Minor Lines
Reply #37 - 07/16/16 at 05:49:53
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I read in the book that Shaw was going to suggest the Short Variation of the Advance Caro-Kan as the line for White, rather than 4.h4, if it weren't for the fact that Dreev was going to write a book on that line! Although the 4.h4 line is very interesting and its coverage is excellent and was much needed, I would have loved to see Shaw on the "positional" Short Variation vs the Caro! And perhaps that was more in theme with the whole book, considering that the suggested lines are rather on the "positional" side than the "aggressive" one. (With all the limitations that these sort of classifications have, of course). Anyway, it's a great book, now let's see volume II !  And let's see how he is going to handle the Tarrasch! (I hope that it's not the Korchnoi Gambit vs. 3...Nf6, but the Ne2 line)
  
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Re: Playing 1.e4 - Caro-Kann, 1...e5 & Minor Lines
Reply #36 - 07/12/16 at 15:00:35
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If you find any missing lines in Shaw's book, besides discussing them here, you can also ask the author about them:
http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/blog/4528#comment-311889
He would answer for sure.
  
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