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Re: Old (transliterated) spelling of Alekhine
Reply #9 - 06/21/16 at 15:26:44
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brabo wrote on 06/21/16 at 10:57:56:
For Korchnoi there exist many variations.
I quote a piece of the excellent chess notes of Edward Winter: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/korchnoi.html
"Our remark in C.N. 5577 about the different ways in which Bogoljubow’s name is spelt has prompted Javier Asturiano Molina (Murcia, Spain) to report on another case:

‘I have found Korchnoi, Kortchnoi, Kortschnoi, Kortsnoi, Kortshnoi, Korchnoï, Kortchnoï, Korchnoy, Kortchnoy, Kortschnoy, Korchnoj, Kortchnoj, Kortschnoj, Korcznoj, Korcsnoj, Kortjnoj, Kortsjnoj, Kortšnoi and Korčnoj.’"


But apparently we know how Kortchnoi spelled it ...
http://www.schaaksite.nl/2016/06/06/they-didnt-allow-me-to-watch-dirty-movies/
  
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Re: Old (transliterated) spelling of Alekhine
Reply #8 - 06/21/16 at 10:57:56
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Spelling is important but some people really work on my nerves by nitpicking everywhere.
There is no consensus about how to translate Cyrillic to Roman characters.
For Korchnoi there exist many variations.
I quote a piece of the excellent chess notes of Edward Winter: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/korchnoi.html
"Our remark in C.N. 5577 about the different ways in which Bogoljubow’s name is spelt has prompted Javier Asturiano Molina (Murcia, Spain) to report on another case:

‘I have found Korchnoi, Kortchnoi, Kortschnoi, Kortsnoi, Kortshnoi, Korchnoï, Kortchnoï, Korchnoy, Kortchnoy, Kortschnoy, Korchnoj, Kortchnoj, Kortschnoj, Korcznoj, Korcsnoj, Kortjnoj, Kortsjnoj, Kortšnoi and Korčnoj.’"

I remember that when I had to translate my name for the first time from Roman to Cyrillic that my Russian teacher told me just to select one and stick to it. I wasn't sure about which type of 'l' to use : 'л' or 'ль'. They are very different but none is exactly the same as we use.
  
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Re: Old (transliterated) spelling of Alekhine
Reply #7 - 06/21/16 at 00:12:21
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I could have sworn I had seen "Aljekjin" used, but I can't find it now. It seems I was influenced by the way I usually hear it pronounced.

I just looked at one random book in each of Swedish, Danish and Norwegian, and all three used «Aljechin». In Angrep i sjakk (Kasparov and Wade 1986), the translator, Thor Støre, comments that "Aljechin [...] and Korchnoi [...] are spelled the way these players themselves have chosen to do it after they moved to the West".
 
"Alekhin" is correct Norwegian under the current transcription guidelines. I notice that Norwegian and Danish Wikipedia both use that, while the Swedish one uses "Alechin". So even the first "j" is no longer supposed to be there.
  

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Re: Old (transliterated) spelling of Alekhine
Reply #6 - 06/20/16 at 22:28:34
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Stigma wrote on 06/19/16 at 02:31:22:
And the Scandinavian languages use "Aljekjin".


I guess you mean Aljekhin - wihout the second "j". At least I have never seen it spelled that way...

  
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Re: Old (transliterated) spelling of Alekhine
Reply #5 - 06/19/16 at 14:50:53
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Stigma wrote on 06/19/16 at 09:56:02:
That makes sense, since Alekhine made France his adopted home country and even played a number of olympiads for France. The spelling may even be his own.


It is in fact the spelling used in his Deux cents parties d'échecs.
  
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Re: Old (transliterated) spelling of Alekhine
Reply #4 - 06/19/16 at 09:56:02
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That makes sense, since Alekhine made France his adopted home country and even played a number of olympiads for France. The spelling may even be his own.

It still doesn't work well in English though...
  

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Re: Old (transliterated) spelling of Alekhine
Reply #3 - 06/19/16 at 08:38:52
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For some truly odd - or maybe mildly odd and historic - reason English doesn't really seem to go in for phonetic transliterations.

A silent e at the end of a word would, I presume, have to be down to some sort of French influence.
  
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Re: Old (transliterated) spelling of Alekhine
Reply #2 - 06/19/16 at 02:31:22
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And the Scandinavian languages use "Aljekjin".

The English spelling "Alekhine" is odd btw. Why the final, silent -e? It's not there in Russian, and positively invites the freqent mispronounciations, like rhyming it with "shine" or actually pronouncing the -e.
  

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Re: Old (transliterated) spelling of Alekhine
Reply #1 - 06/18/16 at 20:22:17
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"Aljechin" is used in German and Dutch.
  
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Old (transliterated) spelling of Alekhine
06/18/16 at 20:00:50
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Does anybody recall an old (transliterated) spelling of Alekhine that included a "j" somewhere?  I'd be very interested to be reminded, thanks in advance.
  
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