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Re: Is it True that Capa Never Read a Chess Book?
Reply #24 - 05/08/19 at 12:52:12
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I think it's better for beautiful story of a genius , rather then true. In my opinion hard work and experience is what leads to success, so without books and experiencing the theory in practice it would be impossible to realize.
  
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Re: Is it True that Capa Never Read a Chess Book?
Reply #23 - 01/22/17 at 13:01:15
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Capa was much more a "natural talent" than an "hard working" player. He probably never studied a book from start to end for the sake of studying it, but he analyzed a lot of games from books and studied endgames, middlegames, etc. That is ultimately studying chess, although not in the same form as buying a book and reading it from cover to cover.
  
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Re: Is it True that Capa Never Read a Chess Book?
Reply #22 - 12/20/16 at 03:58:12
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Well to me it's just folklore, and I'd want some evidence that it's actually true.  In other words, I think that the burden of proof is on the folklorist.  

Of course, it'll be hard to find proof of whether or not Capa spent his teenage years reading some chess books or not, so it'll likely remain folklore.


Well, you can't prove a negative.  If we went back in time and asked Capa himself to prove that he never read a chess book, there would be no way for him to do that.  I found my copy of Edward Winter's book on Capa.  It shows quite clearly that Capa was not off on his own somewhere magically divining the secrets of chess.  He was involved in first the Cuban and then the NY chess scene.  Cuba had a vibrant chess scene, having hosted the two Steinitz-Chigorin matches and a visit from Pillsbury. In NY, Capa edited a chess magazine, joined the Manhattan CC, analyzed with Lasker, got involved in the debate over the Rice gambit, and annotated the games of the Lasker-Schlechter championship.  Capa's analytical work demonstrates that he was familiar with the theory of his time, although he had his own ideas, of course.  A bit later on in Capa's career, Winter includes Capa's own account of consulting a book to brush up on the latest opening theory. Capa claimed the book was useless to him because it contained too many errors.  



   
  
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Re: Is it True that Capa Never Read a Chess Book?
Reply #21 - 12/19/16 at 03:01:18
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Jonathan Tait wrote on 12/13/16 at 13:28:02:

Say rather that he didn't think the basic understanding of the Open Games could be seriously improved post Morphy – but that didn't stop Fischer going through theoretical works and making endless corrections.


Exactly right.
  
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Reply #20 - 12/18/16 at 17:05:32
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The idea of getting world champion without working has its own taste.  Cheesy
  

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Re: Is it True that Capa Never Read a Chess Book?
Reply #19 - 12/18/16 at 16:22:09
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LeeRoth wrote on 12/13/16 at 14:47:53:
Stigma wrote on 12/13/16 at 02:06:54:
ErictheRed wrote on 12/13/16 at 01:19:29:
To me this is a bit like all of that "Jimi Hendrix couldn't read music" or "Einstein was bad at math" or "Mr. Rogers is a former Vietnam sniper" stuff that gets repeated as though it's true.  It just makes for a good story--and don't let the truth get in the way of that!

Yeah, there are quite a few things "everybody know" that are plainly false. Good stories are simply much better at spreading through minds (and the internet) than mundane facts. A vindication of memetics?

"Most people only use 10% of their brain"

"Columbus discovered America"

"Everybody (especially the Church) believed the world was flat until Columbus discovered America"

"Lemmings commit mass suicide"

"Chewing gum takes years to digest"

"There are left-brained and right-brained people with systematic differences between them"

Though actually I think we should correct this kind of thing whenever we can – the truth matters, and there are enough good stories left anyway.


The difference perhaps is that the story about Capa never reading a chess book isn't just something that "everyone knows."  It is supposedly something that Capa or his wife said.  

There are some people who think this was something they made up to enhance Capa's reputation as a natural player who didn't have to work hard.  Others have suggested that it's based on Olga Capablanca having said that she never saw Capablanca open a chess book, which does not mean that he didn't do so when he was out of her sight or before he met her. 

But, basically, I was (and am still) looking for some evidence as to whether it's true, not people's opinions as to whether they believe it or not.  I don't think anyone believes it.   Wink.  But has anything come to light to disprove it -- some writing of Capa's where he says it isn't true, some contemporary who claims to have loaned him some books or studied with him, etc.


Well to me it's just folklore, and I'd want some evidence that it's actually true.  In other words, I think that the burden of proof is on the folklorist.   

Of course, it'll be hard to find proof of whether or not Capa spent his teenage years reading some chess books or not, so it'll likely remain folklore.
  
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Re: Is it True that Capa Never Read a Chess Book?
Reply #18 - 12/14/16 at 20:45:01
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According to Lodwijk Prins' biography (coauthor Max Euwe) of Capablanca from 1949 Capablanca himself has said that he began to study chess after he left school.
  

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Re: Is it True that Capa Never Read a Chess Book?
Reply #17 - 12/14/16 at 19:49:49
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ExDurisGloria wrote on 12/14/16 at 17:42:41:

Are you saying that it's more reasonable for Nakamura (than Capa) to have read little to no chess books because Nakamura could study in other ways (like computer)?


Yes exactly. The computer generation have learnt more from the machine than anything else.
  
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Re: Is it True that Capa Never Read a Chess Book?
Reply #16 - 12/14/16 at 17:42:41
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Keano wrote on 12/14/16 at 02:01:58:
Nakamura is computer generation, different story altogether.



Are you saying that it's more reasonable for Nakamura (than Capa) to have read little to no chess books because Nakamura could study in other ways (like computer)?
  
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Reply #15 - 12/14/16 at 02:01:58
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Nakamura is computer generation, different story altogether.
  
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Re: Is it True that Capa Never Read a Chess Book?
Reply #14 - 12/13/16 at 15:02:40
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ReneDescartes wrote on 12/13/16 at 01:48:50:
Well what is true without question is that Capa hung out at the Havana and New York chess clubs. That is more than enough to transmit what he also could have learned from books (e.g. Steinitzian principles). Being surrounded by strong players and playing a huge amount is more important than reading books I think.


This cuts both ways, I think.  The fact that Capa hung out at these clubs would also have given him access to their libraries (assuming they had one) or to chess materials he could have borrowed from other members.

Nakamura used to make a somewhat similar claim -- that he didn't read chess books and didn't study any of the classic games.  He claimed he just learned from using a computer.  Of course, his step-father is an FM and a chess coach, who could have taught him the classics without Nakamura actually needing a book.  But still, hard to believe that Nakamura wouldn't have studied any chess books (his father surely would have had a chess library at home) or at least have read his father's own book, which, iirc, was pretty good.
  
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Re: Is it True that Capa Never Read a Chess Book?
Reply #13 - 12/13/16 at 14:47:53
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Stigma wrote on 12/13/16 at 02:06:54:
ErictheRed wrote on 12/13/16 at 01:19:29:
To me this is a bit like all of that "Jimi Hendrix couldn't read music" or "Einstein was bad at math" or "Mr. Rogers is a former Vietnam sniper" stuff that gets repeated as though it's true.  It just makes for a good story--and don't let the truth get in the way of that!

Yeah, there are quite a few things "everybody know" that are plainly false. Good stories are simply much better at spreading through minds (and the internet) than mundane facts. A vindication of memetics?

"Most people only use 10% of their brain"

"Columbus discovered America"

"Everybody (especially the Church) believed the world was flat until Columbus discovered America"

"Lemmings commit mass suicide"

"Chewing gum takes years to digest"

"There are left-brained and right-brained people with systematic differences between them"

Though actually I think we should correct this kind of thing whenever we can – the truth matters, and there are enough good stories left anyway.


The difference perhaps is that the story about Capa never reading a chess book isn't just something that "everyone knows."  It is supposedly something that Capa or his wife said.   

There are some people who think this was something they made up to enhance Capa's reputation as a natural player who didn't have to work hard.  Others have suggested that it's based on Olga Capablanca having said that she never saw Capablanca open a chess book, which does not mean that he didn't do so when he was out of her sight or before he met her. 

But, basically, I was (and am still) looking for some evidence as to whether it's true, not people's opinions as to whether they believe it or not.  I don't think anyone believes it.   Wink.  But has anything come to light to disprove it -- some writing of Capa's where he says it isn't true, some contemporary who claims to have loaned him some books or studied with him, etc.
  
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Re: Is it True that Capa Never Read a Chess Book?
Reply #12 - 12/13/16 at 13:28:02
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Scarblac wrote on 12/13/16 at 13:05:09:
Because I can't believe a top GM seriously using a six decades old opening book. Surely Fischer developed his own opening theory and didn't swear by any opening book, let alone that one.


Say rather that he didn't think the basic understanding of the Open Games could be seriously improved post Morphy – but that didn't stop Fischer going through theoretical works and making endless corrections.
  

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Re: Is it True that Capa Never Read a Chess Book?
Reply #11 - 12/13/16 at 13:05:09
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Because I can't believe a top GM seriously using a six decades old opening book. Surely Fischer developed his own opening theory and didn't swear by any opening book, let alone that one.
  
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Re: Is it True that Capa Never Read a Chess Book?
Reply #10 - 12/13/16 at 12:22:44
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Scarblac wrote on 12/13/16 at 08:34:45:
Doesn't "Fischer swore by Bilguers handbook" belong in that same list of stories that sound good but aren't true?


Not at all. why do you say that? He thought it was better than most of the contemporary books at the time.
  
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