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Re: Choosing openings for improvement post 35
Reply #18 - 02/18/22 at 23:25:33
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I think it has a lot more to do with your playing strength.
the openings are mostly just the development of the pieces to optimal squares, and the development and centralization of those pieces as fast as possible. the player to do this the fastest has won the opening advantage.
I actually teach this in a course called "beyond centralization".
its not rocket science but if you open your eyes out to who finishes development first and the fastest every time you will be opening your eyes to an instructive monster.

Because of this I don't think you should go too crazy on how important this might be however it is important to guide yourself as to what positions you want to reach and the placement of your pieces. In other words, what's comfortable for you to play based on the placement of the pieces.

There are simplistic openings which are easy to learn like the caro kann per say, or the rubenstein french, or the semi-tarrasch, or even the tarrasch defence.

finding these systems is useful because you can pick more than one up to play versus opposition.

Having said that if you ask for a recommendation for a repertoire I would suggest d4 given that it is stable, reputable, and there are plenty of easy systems to adopt to try to play for an advantage.

  
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Re: Choosing openings for improvement post 35
Reply #17 - 02/18/22 at 20:04:21
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Sandman wrote on 02/18/22 at 14:46:56:
Hello all,
I didn't want to clutter the board with another thread so I'm tagging onto this one as my question is a spin on the age-old questions of choosing an opening rep. Maybe it will be a fun twist???

There have been many books recommending opening reps for white based on e4 such as Collins, Emms, McDonald, Baker, Gawain Jones, Fishbein, Sielecki and I'm sure there are others I'm missing. I think one thing we can all agree on is not every suggestion in each of the books is a "good" one. So, using that as the premise, what would you pick and choose from any of these books to make a "better" white rep for lets say amateur club players under the master crowd?


If I want to aim for tactical and fun but slightly risky positions I go with Jones.
If I want to aim for simple positions I go with Sielecki.
If I want to play the same IQP position in every game I go with Collins.
If I am indecisive I buy all of them and change every 2 months. 

My personal quick takes:
Collins - Simple, but a bit boring
Emms - Aims for a space advantage usually in closed positions
McDonald - Open Sicilian and Scotch. Probably has not aged well
Baker - Fun but sometimes dubious
Jones - Fun and not at all dubious
Fishbein - Scotch gambit and Exchange French in separate books
Sielecki - Simple, not as boring as Collins but not as fun as Baker or Jones
Kaufman - Similar to Sielecki but probably has not aged well (simple not as boring as Collins)
Moret - Similar to the old "Explained" by Alburt, Dzindzi, Perelshteyn
  

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Re: Choosing openings for improvement post 35
Reply #16 - 02/18/22 at 18:40:41
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Kaufman and Moret are a couple others with e4 reps that I just thought of.
  

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Re: Choosing openings for improvement post 35
Reply #15 - 02/18/22 at 14:46:56
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Hello all,
I didn't want to clutter the board with another thread so I'm tagging onto this one as my question is a spin on the age-old questions of choosing an opening rep. Maybe it will be a fun twist???

There have been many books recommending opening reps for white based on e4 such as Collins, Emms, McDonald, Baker, Gawain Jones, Fishbein, Sielecki and I'm sure there are others I'm missing. I think one thing we can all agree on is not every suggestion in each of the books is a "good" one. So, using that as the premise, what would you pick and choose from any of these books to make a "better" white rep for lets say amateur club players under the master crowd?



  

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Re: Choosing openings for improvement post 35
Reply #14 - 12/29/16 at 20:36:46
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Just play whatever you want to play, provided that it's sound, main-line stuff.  Sheesh.
  
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Re: Choosing openings for improvement post 35
Reply #13 - 12/27/16 at 09:38:11
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Definitely listen to what Phil has to say Smiley

Also though, don't expect miracles for the first year or two back. It doesn't work like that - you'll be badly rusty and it'll show in the early results.

It might well be worth playing your old openings for the first 6+ months just to clear that rust without tainting your impression of any new openings you might take up.

Its definitely well worth assessing and putting something more or less coherent together for the next 20 or so years though.

Improving from ~170 to ~200 might be possible but it is definitely quite hard. 200 is considerably less of a barrier than it was before the regrading, but its still quite substantial. 
(An old school 155 might actually be worth more than 170 now on average, I'm not quite convinced how well the regrading actually worked.).
  
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Re: Choosing openings for improvement post 35
Reply #12 - 12/23/16 at 13:10:46
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LeeRoth wrote on 12/22/16 at 16:18:50:
when you come off a break, the key thing is to reach middle game positions with which you are familiar.  


I think that applies even if you've been playing continuously. You can find that moves and plans once considered dubious are in fact completely playable whilst here and there, whole openings have become too dangerous because of the number of near refutations that have been devised. It's Black's openings that are suspect. These days I would regard the Pirc, Modern Benoni and Benko as risky propositions unless you have hot theory to keep them alive.
  
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Re: Choosing openings for improvement post 35
Reply #11 - 12/23/16 at 00:09:42
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Without reading all of your post, or any of the replies one thing struck me straight away.

Age is not anything to worry about in chess, play what you like, as you like.

The ageism card is raised a lot in chess but there are so many practical exceptions to the youth is god theory that we might as well just forget it.

I can elaborate on this, but trust me! The way to results is feeling the position and playing as you believe, not conforming to book stereotypes.
  
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Re: Choosing openings for improvement post 35
Reply #10 - 12/22/16 at 16:18:50
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@OP -- Based on my own experience, I would say that, when you come off a break, the key thing is to reach middle game positions with which you are familiar.  You may feel like you don't remember your openings from 10 years ago, but you have probably retained some feel for the types of positions you got.  If you're still somewhat comfortable with Open Sicilian structures, plans, tactics, then aim for those positions.  Of course, you need to make sure none of your old lines has developed a serious problem, but you are basically looking to make tweaks in your old repertoire (to the extent you had one), and not move to entirely new systems.  After my break, the biggest problems I faced at the board were time trouble and seeing ghosts; it wasn't a good time to be dealing with new positions, trying to remember theory or trying to work things out at the board.  I went back to my old openings, even if they were no longer the latest or greatest, and at least got my types of positions. YMMV.

  
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Re: Choosing openings for improvement post 35
Reply #9 - 12/22/16 at 13:46:19
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Play what you enjoy. I think openings will be the least of your problems; it will take a while to get back into competitive shape with regard to time management, determination, concentration, accuracy of calculation, paranoia, etc., so why burden yourself?

"Grandfather" openings? If you hate really quiet positions (as the use of harsh words for them in several of your posts clearly indicate), don't play them, even when you're 70.

Maybe you have some exaggerated and psychologically-shaded ideas about aging. People are different. Korchnoi at age 70 would deliberately grind down younger players physically with long games. Older players only change their repertoire to be more positional if they are no longer enjoying what they were doing (excluding professionals--and even then Anand, at age 37, prepared extremely sharp semislav lines for his real world championship match against Kramnik, while Kasparov prepared the Gruenfeld at the same age. Karpov's play got sharper in his 30s). 

I am skeptical that you are really a technician manqué and that the only reason you out-calculated many players in open Sicilians was that you were younger. Plenty of young players can't do that and plenty of old players can. I would read Khmelnitzky's Chess Exam and Training Guide and find out what your current strengths and weaknesses really are. He's a professional statistician as well as a former trainer of Ivanchuk, and his scientific diagnosis was spot on for me. The book is also an excellent tool to get in playing shape by the way, since it contains a wide variety of positions in which calculation and positional insight blend into each other.

You asked, at the bottom of your post, what people actually did. Many years ago I was fascinated with French positions and 1.d4 main lines. I took a decision to play these long-term as primary weapons, so that the strategic themes would become more and more familiar to me over time. It worked; that is exactly what happened. I learned them well, relative to my eternally modest talent. Later, as my interests evolved, I adopted lines of a different character--but I was able to do it within the same opening families since I had chosen ones that are rich enough for that. I used to play 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 Nf6; now I play 3...c5 with 4.ed ed: more piece play, notice, and more open, as I got even older. I used to play 4.e3 against the Queen's Indian; now I play 4.a3--again, if anything, sharper. I play what I enjoy, as Scarblac said. Otherwise I would have stopped playing long ago.
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Re: Choosing openings for improvement post 35
Reply #8 - 12/22/16 at 12:58:12
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Here's the first advice I give to players at my club, at least to the players who, although they will probably never play professionally, love chess and would like to achieve their potential, given all the constraints of work and family.

The way you choose your chess openings should be regarded very much in the same way as you would invest your money. Of course, you can choose to gamble with your money, say on a race-horse, and you might pick the occasional winner, but in most cases your money will end up in the bookies' pockets.

In contrast, a prudent investor tries to place his or her money somewhere where it is fairly safe from the fluctuations of the stock market but will continue to produce a small profit year after year after year. Chess openings are bit like that. It requires an investment of your time, energy and sometimes your money as well (spent on a chess book or perhaps a DVD) to learn a chess opening, so choose carefully. Invest in sound openings that will continue to pay off for years to come, ideally for as long as you want to keep playing chess.

Don't waste your investment on quick fixes, trappy lines or irregular openings that most professional players would not touch with a barge-pole.

Your opening repertoire should therefore consist mainly of "sound investments": solid, main-line openings that have stood the test of time, are trusted by the professionals (who after all have to earn a living using them) and which consistently score at least averagely, based on a large sample such the Chessbase Mega database.

A further important criterion for choosing your openings is matching them against your present playing strength and skill level. Some openings are more difficult to handle than others. To use a different simile, chess openings are a bit like cars. It takes far greater skill to drive a Formula-One racing car than to drive a family saloon! That's why most coaches agree that it's best to start with openings that involve simple, direct strategies and that conform to all the basic principles of the opening.

Having a few surprise-weapons up your sleeve is not a bad thing in itself, but they are best judged by considering their "risk-reward ratio". Are there plenty of ways for the opponent to go wrong? If he does go wrong, how hard can he be "punished"? How much learning is involved to thoroughly master a particular surprise-weapon? - because if you are not in total control of it, it can easily blow up in your face.

If the only aim of a surprise weapon is to avoid "theory", then I suggest that the time spent on learning it is largely wasted. Why not learn "theory" instead, and reach a reliable position?

However, for anyone who plays in events where the games end up in Magabase or TWIC, it is undoubtedly useful to have at least a small degree of variety in one's repertoire, to make opponents' preparation more difficult. John Emms has compared this to a bowler in cricket: 

"Bowlers possess what is known as a ‘stock delivery’, that is a delivery they use most frequently. They then supplement their stock delivery with subtle variations and surprise weapons. Crucially, the best bowlers in world cricket are those who can reproduce their stock delivery without fail, ball after ball. Their variations offer a slightly different challenge, while their surprise weapons such as the slower ball or bouncer are used sparingly, basically so that they remain surprises."

This is all a bit general, I know, but I hope it provides some good background criteria for building your repertoire. Good luck and enjoy your chess!
  
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Re: Choosing openings for improvement post 35
Reply #7 - 12/22/16 at 12:55:18
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Welcome back to the "real" competitive game Smiley

Play 10 or 15 slow tournament games with your old repertoire and then hire a coach (a titled player) for two or three sessions (classes) to review the games. He will advice you (more arguably than us and even more than yourself) if your openings suits your style or not. The more the games you evaluate with him, the more precise his assessment will be.

Your goals right now would have not dropping two much elo... and have fun, or course Tongue

My 50 cents.
  
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Re: Choosing openings for improvement post 35
Reply #6 - 12/22/16 at 12:50:55
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Thanks everyone for your advice.   

I think I may have overstated my proficiency at the open sicilian.  A lot of club players play the Najdorf without enough knowledge, and play it far too slowly, so you can win in 20-25 moves just by having a lead in development.  That's the sort of thing I'd feel I'm missing if I went to 1.d4, but I expect players rated 2000+ to know what they're doing and not give me the same opportunity quite so much.   

  
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Re: Choosing openings for improvement post 35
Reply #5 - 12/22/16 at 10:16:29
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Sound advice so far; from my part I would propose to consider also the following ideas:

In terms of performance, you will most probably need some time to catch up with your older self. Also I believe the level of competitive chess has improved quite a lot. Hence, that Fide 2000/2200 mark you give seems to me more like a long-term target (depends also on the amount of official games you will be able to play each year). In this context, in your place I would strive for the following:

- Avoid changing everything at once – maybe one bit (e.g. sth like adding the Ruy Lopez) per year. In my opinion, first year you add nothing as you need time to review your older openings.

- e4 or d4, etc.: basically for the reasons everybody stated above, whatever you like (after all 1. e4 can become positional and 1. d4 can become attacking). 

- Open Sicilian debate: imo the sooner the better (esp. if you have a good feeling of it). Can start with a few less theory demanding systems (e.g. surprisingly enough the English Attack is easy to understand and employ; later on you study the serious theory).
  

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Re: Choosing openings for improvement post 35
Reply #4 - 12/21/16 at 19:30:53
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I stopped playing for 15 years.   

Came back about 10 years ago, switched from 1. e4 to 1. d4 2. c4 and aim to play every main line & sharpest position that Black is willing to allow.

My rating is at its highest point ever,  in my 6th decade on the planet. 

Life is short.  Carpe Diem.
  
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